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hi jw,

what settings are required for this to work??

i'm using a keyspan usb-serial adapter under macos 9.1 and vpc 3.0
this combination was successful for uploading maps et al to my
garmin gps iii, but it doesn't appear to detect my pronto.

any tips would be appreciated,

thanks

lcubed

OK I get the chance to be an helper for once....

I have made both setups work. Let me just start by saying that TONTO rocks! Get osX and use Tonto if you can. I have the keyspan twinn serial adapter and it works great. If you are having trouble first try hot swapping the adapter. USB device driver go to "sleep" and sometimes need a nudge. Also, plug the adapter directly into the computers usb port, not a hub, it's more reliable.

Now, the vpc setup also works under OS9. make sure you have the appropriate drivers installed in os9. Have the vpc set to have com1 default to mac serial port(printer). do not activate usb devices on the windows side. you don't want windows to do anything directly to you usb devices...let vpc route the data for you. This setup is much less reliable than the Tonto setup. Keep your pronto awake by tapping on the screen every 10 seconds or so. Uploads from the pronto tend to require multiple tries.

Sounds like the belkin adapters may be problematic. Don't hold your breath for a osX driver. These adapters are going extinct as mac users get rid of serial devices.

Mac os9.2/osx 10.1.2
imac500 256 ram
keyspan twinn serial adapter

Will

Wouldn't the Keyspan twin serial adapter (for Mac) require a Mac/PC serial converter since the Mac serial port was round, and the PC serial port is rectangular? Does such a converter come with the twin adapter? I have a Keyspan USB/hi-speed serial adapter that has the rectangular (PC) serial port , which connects to the Pronto cable. I think I would just need to buy VPC, but I'm hesitant given all the difficulties folks have encountered with the whole Mac OS 9.x/USB/VPC/ProntoEdit thing. I' m still hoping to get Tonto working.

Dan

Dan,
You are absolutely correct. sorry I forgot to mention that. I have a palm mac serial cable connected to the pronto cable. the Palm cable then connects to the the twinn serial adapter.

Dan, just to make sure, do you have the high speed serial adapter or the pda adapter. The pda adapter is known to not work well in this situation.

Also, make sure the adapter is plugged into the bus on the computer not a hub. I found this to really make a difference. I have been using Tonto for a few weeks now and it works great. I would also suggest that you make sure you have the osx keyspan driver updated (get it fom keyspan's web site) and the the latest osx 10.1.2

my current setup:
Tonto .99
imac500se 356ram os 10.1.2
pronto 2000
keyspan twinn serial adapter connected to palm serial adapter.
I have all the settings in tonto at their defaul but with that fast g4 of yours i wonder if you need to change the response delays in tonto.
Will

Yes, I am using the high-speed usb/serial adapter, plugged directly into a Mac G4 running OS 10.1.2 with the OS X drivers for the Keyspan. Somehow the Pronto 2000 still won't upload to Tonto, but Stewart is helping me troubleshoot it. Here's hoping...

Dan

From your logs, Dan, the Pronto is detected, but it times out after the upload command is issued. The timeout for your Pronto appears to be way outside the norm. I'll be posting 1.01 in a bit that contains a new tweakable timeout option.

From the latest logs, it looks like there's actually a problem with your Pronto. It fails to respond at all to the upload command. Other commands succeed so perhaps updating the sys/app will fix it. You'll have to find a PC and use ProntoEdit for this since I have not implemented this feature in Tonto yet.

Let me just add to this thread the Tonto is awesome. Hopefully Stewart will add code testing and code learning within Tonto (I'd much rather have these ProtoEdit features than an emulator!). Another tip - get the Keyspan High Speed Serial Adapter (USA-19QW). It's the best adapter to use with a USB Mac, OS X, and Tonto. Keyspan has an OS X driver (1.0.1) available for their adapter.

BTW Stewart, we (Sun) are working with Apple to put the latest Java2 JVM in OS X v 10.2. Hopefully this will cure the "mouse clicks not registering after sleep/screen saver activiation" bug.

Cole,

thanks. a point of clarification: Tonto currently supports learning, but not replay, through the Pronto. I hope to add that soon.

there is really only one bad bug (from my POV) in Sun's JVM and that has to do with font handling. I have devised a number of long, cumbersome and mostly just plain odious workarounds so that Tonto can render Pronto glyphs on OSX and Windows. If you have any influence over this, please have someone look into it.

there are a number of very cool features that I would like to add such as the ability to render arbitrary fonts directly onto buttons. my font workaround prevents any kind of clean implementation since I have to bypass the JVM font renderer and use my own glyph renderer. once the bug is addressed, I can start to implement these features.