Of course, if you all keep up the merry banter, my poor little effort might just be the only one entered.
I learnt to programme my pronto from this site, if we all stop here, then there will no longer be any forward movement by people like philips. It is only through people like you/us pushing the boundary forward that the prontopro was born.

Now before I get too caught up in agreeing with Greg, let me go back on the record as disagreeing with the "gift" aspect of the BDT award (and there I further disagree with oferlaor). Promotions which coincidentally benefit DT and the site? No problem. But "give Daniel cash contributions to show our appreciation" still rubs me the wrong way--and I say that (for the last time) with no lack of respect for and appreciation to Daniel.

So welcome to Round 2 of the Dustin vs. Greg show.

Thanks, Dustin....... I think! ;-)

You'll notice that I am not standing up for Daniel per se. I would do the same thing on any site. My "arguments" apply on any forum that would put up a similar contest.


Amen on that last comment! Don't sell yourself short! You have just as much a chance of winning as the rest of us (well, far better than me...... another story!) And let's keep in mind that chances are this is a low ratio contest.... not "one in a million" like others.


Part of the rules:

"Originality: How unique the design and graphics are.
Layout: button placement and ergonomics.
Quality: overall "fit and finish" of the file.

So, you don't have to be a graphics whiz at this. Some excellent .ccf's are built on simple graphics, and use well-placed buttons and good "fit and finish".

I don't necessarily think that this is highly bent toward graphics professionals. It seems that good overall ergonomics and usability are just as, if not, more important than fancy graphics.


Amen to the last part. That's part of what I like about this contest. Your EFFORTS put you in a better chance of winning.

... Greg :-)

Well, I said that only becasue you were the first to quickly add a response in favor of the contest (regardless of my own oppinions on said contest)

Whatever the case may be I'm just giving you hard time- it's a bad habit of mine :)

I think I'd be more gung ho about this contest if I hadn't spent the last 3 weeks on a CCF for my Dad's 2000. It's a christmas gift, but I started decidely early- and now I am tired of the brainstoriming and thinking, and drawing Fu$%ing buttons for a silly remote (I've go to find out where philips but the Heroin Injector - is it on the remote or on pronto edit- becasue I can't seem to shake this addiction). so seeing the contest for a color CCf only gave me an excuse to create a color CCf something I wanted to try anyway- but was too consumed by my present task of creating a B&W one.

I think that my idea (which I'm not going into until after the contest has been finished) was a pretty good one for CCf design- and I'm going to apply it to the Pro - But I'm not just retro fitting the B&W to the Pro- I'm starting from scratch again.

As I just said in another thread (but it bears repeating here): I'll really have to go through the FAQs carefully since I'm going to be more involved with trying to create this time, instead of just copying. Actually, since I'm creating a CCF for a remote I don't even have, I'm more concerned with how it looks than if it works, which makes it a little easier. If I win, then I can try to actually make it work.

In that same vein, doing it for fun, just to see how slick I can make it look (as opposed to having a real remote,)makes it much more of a creative exercise. That being the case, people with smaller set-ups (like me) are not at a disadvantage against someone with massive complex stuff. Actually gives me an advantage because it just has to look good and operate smoothly, not emulate the 5000 buttons of David Gager's (which, if I didn't emphasize it enough before, is absolutely FABULOUS!!

I'm guessing that David is eligible to enter the contest even though it was posted prior to the contest? even still his CCF- though beutifully and obviously painstakingly created is still the same as many CCF's here- in function.
Actually now that I've said that I was curious as to who the judges are going to be, and under what criteria are they looking at over the other criteria?

I'm betting you're going to see a lot of similar CCFs in function--buttons, transports, etc. The separator is going to be the graphics and the transitions from one panel to another. and Dave's is certainly a primer on what can be accomplished (as Daniel's was with the 2000). Put it through its paces on the emulator and its truly a thing of beauty. I want to buy all his equipment just so I can use his CCF.

1) As the rules say, anyone who has already submitted a ProntoPro .ccf can resubmit as long as "improvements" have been made.

2) The CCF only requires 4 components, so it can be the basis for your complete CCF down the road (when you win!) or you can go "whole hog" and put all of your components in there.

3) Check the guidelines for the other criteria.

Originality: How unique the design and graphics are.
Layout: button placement and ergonomics.
Quality: overall "fit and finish" of the file.

4) Notice the rules ask you why you think your design is unique. So there are a number of criteria that the judges will be looking at from what I can see from the guidelines.

In other design contests I've seen over the years (in many areas of life's endeavours), the one with the most pizzazz and fireworks doesn't always win. A good, clean, simple, well-functioning design has just as much chance of winning.

... Greg :-)

Plus: in small print it says:

So there is a reason for them asking for CCFs and not having a regular contest

It also says "must contain 75% original graphics". That's a tall order. That's the big bonus for Philips. You'll see lots of really original designs, not just knock-offs (with slight variations) of Daniel's. Philips and Pro owners will be the real winners.*

Also the "work-for-hire" phrase would, it seems to me, mean for "compensation." The winner gets compensation, the losers get congratulations.

But you gotta look at it like you're doing it for fun. If it's not fun for you, for pete's sake don't enter.

*Greg, I sincerely hope that Daniel is getting some benefit out of this. This contest (as I said) will be helping Philips immensely, and he deserves it.

This message was edited by Joel Warren on 09/23/01 19:13.13.

I agree. If you get all bent out of shape about it, it sure isn't worth it!

Yowsers! This thread's expanded somewhat.

After reading this lot it's time for me to give in and bow down to the supporters of the contest.

Lets hope Philips don't nick your ccf for the default config and all you get for it is a Pro. It would be worth a LOT more than that.

That's part of the whole idea, Mango. Philips wants your default config for the design and graphics. And yes, the price paid by them is paltry.

But, it still helps out those on this site and can win you a prize!

... Greg

That's it, Greg. What's the diff if you already had a Pro and just loaded your CCF to the site for all to use? The RC users are the winners, just as they are from the uploading of any CCF.

After having seen the Pro CCFs in action, I figure that one day, I'll probably have a Pro, and then I'll be ahead of the game. I just wish I hadn't bought my 2000 just as the Pros came out.

I was going to submit an animated yet fast CCF for the contest, something I knocked off after finding a pronto in the garbage bin behind the HTM building... but you guys deserve a fair shake, so rather than embarass anyone, I'll just hold off for now. SD

This message was edited by StreetDude on 09/24/01 12:52.43.