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Post 1 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 00:03
Marcus
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I have been doing some investigating and I'm about to reveal the TRUTH about alpha2data.


Shortly after placing a bid on eBay (BUT NOT WITH ALPHA2DATA), I received the following email labeled below as "1st email".



Although I thought that this was highly UNETHICAL that a seller should email another sellers bidders with an email of this sort during an auction, I just disregarded it.


But then a couple weeks later I got another email that had language in it VERY SIMILAR to the first. After studying the "2nd email" I was completely convinced that it was in fact written by alpha2data as well. Again I thought to myself that this person has absolutely NO MORALS.


Anyhow, I'm not going to get any further into my opinions about this person. But one thing that I did find very interesting is that I think these emails prove that alpha2data posts promotional and self serving threads in this forum under aliases with the intent to defraud and mislead consumers.



For instance, let's take this "Michael". Who is Michael? Check out these threads below and look for the user "Michael" and read his posts. Don't forget to take note of his email address.

[Link: remotecentral.com]


[Link: remotecentral.com]


[Link: remotecentral.com]



Now take a look at the headers of the two emails I have included here. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that alpha2data and Michael are the same person.



alpha2data (Bruce), SHAME ON YOU!!






1st email


Date: Sat, Jan 6th 2001 00:06:19 Filter sender


From: Alpha2Data <[email protected]> Add to Address Book


To: [email protected]


Cc: View Header


Subject: CAUTION! CONSUMER ALERT! ON EURO SILVER PRONTO MODEL SBC RU890 Include Original: Yes/No





Return-Path: <[email protected]>


Received: via chekdeliver for [email protected];


Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:06:18 -0500 (EST)


Received: (qmail 4826 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2001 05:06:17 -0000


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Message-ID: <008d01c0779e$63932660$[email protected]>


Reply-To: "Alpha2Data" <[email protected]>


From: "Alpha2Data" <[email protected]>


To: [email protected]


Subject: CAUTION! CONSUMER ALERT! ON EURO SILVER PRONTO MODEL SBC RU890


Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:04:43 -0500


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CAUTION! CONSUMER ALERT!






THE SILVER PRONTOS DIRECTLY IMPORTED FROM EUROPE WITH THE MODEL NUMBER SBC RU890

ARE NOT! THE SAME AS THE _NEWER_ SILVER US MODEL TSU2000.




Aside from the similarity of the silver color the "EURO" model DOES

NOT HAVE the New US models's NEWER DOUBLE MEMORY AND THE NEWER UNIVERSAL

DATABASE, Or the NEW CDROM.


The Euro model is the equivalent of the older US mode TS1000 that is now either

dis-continued or soon to be. (I have not been able to verify the current status

of the TS1000 due to the holiday week). DON'T BE FOOLED.




You can check the specs of the SBC RU890 out at the following Philips link in

Europe: ce-europe.philips.com]


SBC RU890 SPECS LINK by clicking on the highlight if your mail

gets HTML.




OR if your email does not treat that link correctly, there is one that I just

added to the bottom of my eBay item# 1205155942 that recently closed, or if

your email supports HTML, just use the following link:

[Link: cgi.ebay.com]




You can a current auction for the newest US Silver pronto


[Link: cgi.ebay.com]

(if not, you should be able to cut and paste the one of the links into your

browser.)




I am certainly not implying that any Seller is mis-representing anything. Just

the opposite. The Seller has clearly stated the model number, but what is left

out is important. Certainly they are possibly offering a good buy on an older

model and that is fine. However, you as a buyer should be aware of what you are

buying to make an informed decision based upon the factual differences.












2nd email





Date: Sun, Jan 21st 2001 16:39:33 Filter sender

From: HOW'S WHO ON eBAY <[email protected]> Add to Address Book

To: HOW'S WHO <[email protected]> Download Message

Cc: View Header

Subject: The NEW How's Who Now Featuring Prontos On eBay Include Original: Yes/No


Return-Path: <[email protected]>

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Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:39:33 -0500 (EST)

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Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:21:28 -0500 (EST)


(envelope-from [email protected])


Message-ID: <02c301c083f0$665c7960$[email protected]>

Reply-To: "HOW'S WHO ON eBAY" <[email protected]>

From: "HOW'S WHO ON eBAY" <[email protected]>

To: "HOW'S WHO" <[email protected]>


Subject: The NEW How's Who Now Featuring Prontos On eBay


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:14:32 -0500


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X-Loop: [email protected]





Hello eBay Pronto Bidders... [IF this is a duplicate sorry. We had a mail

server error]




We are experimenting with a service that is designed to give bidders

intelligence to help in their purchases in online auctions. This service is now

free, and if you don't want the info sent, please let us know to remove you, or

if you appreciate the info, let us know that too or what other products you will

be looking for in an online auction.




This week we are featuring the Pronto auctions on eBay.....




Please note that the information is current as to the time of gathering, so we

cannot be responible for a constantly changing online situation. The bottom

line for you is to use the intelligence to possibly help in making a

bid/purchase decision and it should be used to SEARCH BY SELLER _in addition to_

an item search since we do not include any specific auctions by item number AND

you will get different listings for the Prontos depending upon the wording you

use to do the search.




Here's the intelligent "skinny" to help you out with a Pronto purchase

on eBay...




The lineup in alphabetical order:

(NOT in order of any preference, we DO NOT PICK we only try to inform - .com

left off)




a] Alpha2Data feedback rating 93


b] [email protected]

feedback rating 19




c] [email protected]

feedback rating 1006




d] wael68 feedback rating 45




The Quick Summary:


Alpha2Data currently has the most units at the lowest price. Their feedback is

excellent with respect to delivery and follow through. They appear to

specialize in multi-unit auctions of the latest U.S. version of the Pronto in

both as a single units and with the DS1000 as well as the DS1000 itself.


Onlinesales24 has a good feedback profile. They appear to be good at follow

through and support. They seem to specialize in higher priced single unit

"Buy It Now" auctions. A good number of their auctions that close

without Buy It Now seem to not meet their reserve and we couldn't find a recent

auction for a combination that did.




Hififorless has a high feedback rating but mostly it comes from non-Pronto

sales. The are more diverse in their online offerings. They offer small

quantity Ductch auctions currently at $289.00. Our first impression was that

they were the highest priced seller, and can afford to be because compared to

their variety of offerings on eBay they are only trying to "catch" a

Pronto bid, but again, that's our impression and you have to do a search by

seller to see what's current.





Wae168 - We have a lot to say here because there appear to be many caveats


The seller does not offer the newest lastest US version of the Pronto with all

the improvements. They currently specialize in directly importing the older Euro

version of the Pronto that becuase of its Silver color was quite popular around

Christmas before the newer US model, the TSU2000 was introduced in a Silver

color too AND with multiple improvements as well as a feature set that was not

available before and still isn't on the Euro version. We take issue with the

comparisions in their item descriptions that appear to be designed to keep a

bidder less informed and make possibly wrong judgements from information

presented in such a way that the bidder may think they are getting something

through inference that they are not. We must state that this is ONLY our

impression and opinion.





You may feel differently, however, one example is the warranty that they list as

an "International Warranty", but they do not specifically state that

your Pronto purchase will be covered by North American Philips here in the US

only that there is a US number listed. It is possible that the US number will

only be honored for the Euro unit if it was bought in Europe and the buyer moved

here. Very unclear. We recommend calling North American Philips before

bidding.





Also, though the seller has now changed their page to indicate they are

comparing to the "blue" Pronto, they still don't present the fact that

the TS1000 ("blue" Pronto) has been replaced by the newer TSU2000 at

the same pricing we should add, with later software that cannot currently be

downloaded but comes on a new CDROM that was introduced with that model, nor

that the TSU2000 has double the memory, nor that the TSU2000 has the addition of

a Universal Database feature.




Note that this new software is not just "next level" x.0? versions of

the Pronto software. It could be called "next generation". Do Not DL

the versions online as they are not useable in the newer US Pronto. It is also

unclear whether the Euro Silver unit with the latest DL software that is

available for it will be at the current level of the new US version. We suspect

not just based upon the addition of the new Universal Database to the newer US

model; Again, we are not sure as of this writing.... but, why take chances??


OP | Post 2 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 00:28
kabster
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If this is true Sounds like B.S.
you guys and your e-tail net games.
OP | Post 3 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 00:32
GregoriusM
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Longest post to date?
OP | Post 4 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 00:33
GregoriusM
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Oh yeah. Bruce - cover yourself up!!! ;-)
OP | Post 5 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 01:22
Marcus
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kabster, yes this is true.

Believe me, I have nothing to gain by posting the above facts and supporting documents. I just want people to know the TRUE alpha2data and how viscious and unethical he truly is.

There has been alot of discussion in this forum about alpha2data and I have seen him attacked quite often. To some people he may even appear as a "victim" in all this.

Believe me folks, he is no victim. He is well deserving of all the attacks he receives.

OP | Post 6 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 01:27
Lee
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My experience is very limited. I researched the costs for the TSU2000 and recharger and found Alpha2Data to be the cheapest. My research was limited to approx. 2 hours on the web.

I bought my products from Bruce and was delighted with the response I received, the promptness and the professionalism.

Let's get on with it.
OP | Post 7 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 01:32
kabster
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If this is the care I suggest you contact e-bay.
OP | Post 8 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 01:39
Marcus
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Lee,
Thank you for sharing your experience. But this topic has nothing to do with "price"

It has everything to do with shedding light on alpha2data's unethical behavior and DIRTY tactics as well as offering a possible explanation as to why he is SO DISLIKED.
OP | Post 9 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 01:48
gschrader
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Marcus - you must have something to gain by posting all this. How do we know that you didn't manipulate all those headers in the emails to make them look like they came from the same address? Considering you're posting somewhat anonymously why should anyone believe you.

Glen
Happy alpha2data customer
OP | Post 10 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 02:06
Marcus
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Glen,
I can assure you that I have NOTHING to gain and that the headers have not been altered except for PART (xxxxx) of MY email address. That's all I can tell you. Believe what you want.

As for the "somewhat anonymously " comment, please do a search in this forum and read about some of the email bombs that were sent by alpha2data to some of the other users who dared to uncover him. I am not in the mood to have to deal with 3000 - 5000 junk emails shutting down my email account are you?

Furthermore, I am sure that many others got the same emails above. I would ask that they too post the headers.

OP | Post 11 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 02:20
gschrader
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Well I guess I just find it hard to believe since I had nothing but the best experience dealing with Bruce. The guy has a 700+ rating on eBay now so I tend to believe that more than several negative postings here. I'm sure Daniel could check the site logs to see If he is indeed the same person as Michael. I just don't understand your motivation, if you have nothing to gain why even bother stirring this stuff up.
OP | Post 12 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 02:30
Marcus
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Glen,
I respect your comments and opinion. However, as I indicated before, I have NOTHING to gain.
NOTHING AT ALL!

My ONLY motivation for posting this is that I simply want people to know some truth to this whole saga. Not to mention the fact that I am personally outraged that a dealer would use these kinds of tactics.
OP | Post 13 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 02:48
gschrader
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Ok fair enough, none of these tactics were used on me so I can't/won't comment anymore. There's definitely something fishy about the whole thing. I just wish it would get resolved so this forum doesn't get polluted with topics like this one. I'd much rather read threads about the actual functioning of the Pronto!
OP | Post 14 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 03:17
Joel Warren
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In all those threads, I saw exactly ONE post from an "unhappy customer", who when challenged to identify himself and provide his e-mail address, did not. There were several "happy customers" posts, and the rest were sabre-rattlers of one sort or another who posted innuendo-laden "warnings", but no evidence. His ratings and feedback on e-bay are top-notch and can't be manipulated.

I purchased a DS1000 from Bruce directly from my contact with him on this site, which was factory-sealed with warranty cards and all. His price was fair, and delivery (to CA) was in two days. I have spoken with him on the phone several times. Put me down in the "happy customer" camp.

Mhy Marcus, "Nicole" and their ilk become unpaid roving reporters for Consumers Reports, I dont know, but there's more there than they're revealing. Its muy suspicious, no matter how much they say, with innocent faces: "I have NOTHING to gain.
NOTHING AT ALL!"
OP | Post 15 made on Saturday August 11, 2001 at 10:53
Marcus
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Joel,
It's been my suspicion for a while now that
YOU ARE ALPHA2DATA!

This is supported by many threads posted in this forum.


This message was edited by Marcus on 08/11/01 10:56.42.
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