Folks it looks like a price war over on eBay and it seems to be led by alpha2data.

I just saw some Buy It Now listings in addition to the normal ones that they are calling "No Frills" with pricing on the TSU2000 with DS1000 of $310.00 and the TSU2000 itself for $250.00.

It appears that the only difference between those listings and the ones at $329.00 and $269.00 are that something they are calling Same Day Ship or Next Day delivery, sorry, I didn't read the whole thing, is not included just regular shipping like everyone else from what I saw and the upgrade to Air is optional.

Hi Fred...

If I may butt in, it's not a "war". I just took a look at what people were asking for and what was moving and was able to lower some pricing by making some of the "extras" optional, like the free upgrade to UPS Air Select.

It seemed fairer to let people who want that pay for it and reduce the price to those that don't.

I still have the "top line" Buy It Now offerings, but I have replacef the free 3Day Air Select with Next Day in the buyers hands. Even that is a good value because the pricing didn't go up, and my actual cost to do that on, eg, the combo is around $30.00 (shipping weights vary and ounces make a difference) with packaging not including the hand labor involved. I think UPS Red would have been in the $60.00 range to equal the delivery guarantee the P.O. has to some destinations. So this is doubly a real value.

The next day also works for a Sunday delivery if the receiving end has the service. but the cut off for me doing it is 11A EST on Saturday due to earlier closing of the post office.

-Bruce
alpha2data

Isn't there a specific forum here for people to advertise?

This is getting old

Mason,

The Marketplace forum was designed for personal users selling to other personal users, not for dealers. Alpha2data would most likely be lynched for posting in that forum too.

If you don't like what he has to say, don't read it. You and I aren't in the market for a Pronto, but other people are. They may appreciate his help and answers in this forum.

Some would say that your "Please do not post to this thread. It is for information only. Thank you." posts are getting old. I'm one of those people. So, I don't read them anymore. Simple as that. I suggest you do the same, rather than being a forum Nazi and telling people what to post and where to post it.

Done and done.

I'll let you go back to your regular topic now...

I for one don't own a Proto yet and read ALL of his "advertisements". To help better my future experience I read this forum for tips, problems, and where to buy suggestions. Bruce has offered all and due to his willingness to go the extra mile for his customers has won me over as a future customer.

Thanks Bruce, I hope to talk to you soon.


T. Pot

I know that I might get scolded for this but I too have to vouch for Bruce. He was the best seller I have ever dealt with on eBay, ever. (I have bought over 100 items) There was even some confusion on an email that I sent him. He called me at home on his dime to clear it up so that the shipment would not be delayed.

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Tim,

Thank you for your valuable input. The post you are referring to is added to in order to keep that thread at the top of the page to help other, often first time, users.

I think it was the Nazis that considered all opinions but their own to be wrong, and did not want those opinions expressed.

In essence, you are telling me "what to post and where to post it."

I would be interested in your further knowledge of the Nazi's and how else I might exhibit Nazi behavior.

See, I really don't think that your comment was accurate or fair, I rather think of myself as the forum POLICE. So consider this a written warning, but if I catch you again I'll have to write you up.

10-4?

Mason,

I realize the point of the thread I was referring to. I never mentioned anything about it before because I knew it had a purpose. It just wasn't a thread that required my attention, so I skipped it.

You have to realize that this is the same exact thing. Pronto price wars and alpha2data's credibility don't mean much to us. But there's a lot of readers in this forum who DO care, and who WILL use the information to decide who to buy from. The only people this is getting "old" to are the people it doesn't apply to.

The word "Nazi" wasn't meant to be taken literally.

Whatever. I don't really care either way. I just come here because I'm bored ar work. I know that no amount of begging or pleading will stop people from posting anything they feel like posting. I also know that your "Please do not post" threads don't stop newbies from asking questions in the wrong places.

So, as long as that stupid post you seem to love lives on, I hope alpha2data lives on as well.

Tim: I must defend Mason, since I agree with the two things you attack (adds and information thread). Here is what I think, and none of it is aimed to any one.
b> adds/B>
1) If you really want to advertise on this site, contact Daniel and do it correctly if possible
2) There is a market forum, so it should be used if you want to pass along a good price you have seen
3) If someone asks where to find the Pronto on this forum (logical choice if you assume most people here have one). Then you should definitely help them and give them the contacts.

All of this comes from the belief (right or wrong) that the reason Daniel has created all these forums (compartments) is to have the information easy to find and to know where to look at. Like you said Tim "You and I aren't in the market for a Pronto, but other people are" so if you are in the market where should you go?


b> information thread If you have read that thread you would notice:
1) The thread was not started by Mason
2) If you look at the history (why they created that thread). You will notice a lot of really long threads that had many questions and no answers so a thread on how to ask better questions was needed, the initial attempts kept on degrading down to what they were trying to prevent that is why I assume they went with the comment "Please do not post to this thread. It is for information only. Thank you"
3) That thread was very much needed and is not meant for repeat visits but as a recommendation and information for first time users looking for codes. It is meant as a tip on how to use the forum most effectively and since the information is in the initial post, the rest of the posts are there to bring the thread to the top.
4) The comment is meant for that thread (and if you look at it as their thread, I hope they can do with it what they want, and asking others not to post on it definitely does not make them dictatorial.

In case any one is interested in what they are talking about
This is the thread [Link: remotecentral.com]
this is one of the reasons it is needed: [Link: remotecentral.com]

Anthony,

As I said, I don't really care.

alpha2data can't use the marketplace forum. It's not for dealers, as he is.

My point is simply this: for every piece of information you deem worthless, there's probably a few people out there who need that information. Saying something is getting "old" is completely off base, in my opinion. There's obviously a lot of people in the forum interested in alpha2data's deals. We're not, so does that make them unimportant? I don't think so.

Again, I know the point of the other threads. That's why I never mentioned them. I just simply ignore them, as you guys should do to the threads that don't apply to you.

Where did you see worthless? Mason was just mentionning that the market forum is the best place for it (and I had done the same thing earlier).

Yes Daniel does have " Note: No commercial dealer ads please! " but if you read what the market forum is about "If you want to buy or sell any home theater or remote control related items this is the forum to use." that is the place to sell your Prontos. I look at all the forums, so wherever a message exists I might read it. It has nothing to do with the existanse of a pst, but more with where the posts should be.

P.S. I am sure that the "no comercial ads" request in the market forum is there to protect the companies that support this place economicaly, and not because Daniel wants the ads to be in the other forums.

I hesitated getting in the middle of this, AND I am not taking sides either way, nor do I agree with the way some of the accusations have been flying back and forth. They are not in good taste and tend to dilute a point well made when one makes an extreme accusation as opposed to a clearly defined statement; but, that said, I do appreciate the people that have come to my defense AND others in the forum with a "need to know".

I just want to correct a mis-conception, and perhaps it is my own:

1] I looked at the marketplace and it appeared, as others have stated, to be user to user. That would be inappropriate.

2] I cannot prevent others from posting messages about my auctions on eBay, and if it is done and I see something the needs to be corrected, I feel within my rights to do so without violating any forum standards.

3] The attack on fish who started another thread a few days (or a week ago) having to do with "best deals" was unwarranted. I do NOT know "Fish" and I did not ask "Fish" to post that thread, but I sure wish "Fish" would chime back in. (If you have sorry.)

4] I have emailed Daniel Tonks, in fact not just Daniel, but the ISP link from his (?) computer offerings website to get pricing on advertising etc. That was almost a week ago and to date I have not received a reply.

5] I have also emailed the designer of this site and, I think Daniel's to ask for some rates for either hosting and/or site design. At a very miinimum, what it would cost to clean up my alpha2data offerings on eBay. I am an amature putting that together from basic HTML code that I learned and it sorely needs a clean up in the way the information is presented. I have not as yet heard back.

So.. there you have, except for saying that I hope this did not come off harsher than I intended. It is not meant in that vein.

-Bruce
alpha2data

Note: I really don't want to have to defend myself as a result of this posting; therefore those that would normally anonymously attack and clog up the thread, please don't waste your time.

Anthony,

Believe it or not, I still really don't care. This has little to no effect on me, so I choose to ignore it rather than try to tell people what to do. I would recommend you do the same. If someone asks a question in the wrong place, you can either answer it or lead them to the right place. If they don't listen or read what you tell them (like the BDT award winner or the recent "Please don't post..." thread), that's their problem. Forget about it. It's not worth getting in a huff over. Just don't read alpha2data's posts if you don't like them or don't think they matter to you. You'll waste a lot more time and effort repeating that alpha2data switch forums than you will by just skipping his posts if they don't apply to you.

Hi Anthony...

You make a valid point, and the statement you cited re:

"no comercial ads"

for the marketplace forum is exactly what I saw when I went there and is what lead me to search further and finally make a direct inquiry that I thought would have been received by Daniel, but I guess it is possible that he has an agency handling that for him

It's the only thing I can think of that would have delayed a response so far.

In any case, I guess I will take a chance and ask you, If a member here posts a pointer to my eBay auctions and I see that there is more info needed, are you saying it is wrong of me to correct or expand upon whay may be incomplete information???

BTW... this is a dialogue, not an advertisement for my auctions on eBay.

-Bruce
alpha2data