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MX-700's and manual are here today!
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Post 16 made on Friday May 10, 2002 at 22:16
GregoriusM
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On 05/10/02 20:48.52, magyar said...
It would be nice if you weren't limited to 5 characters
per button label. Instead, there should
be a line limit of 10 chars, so on one line you
could have a label of say 3 chars on one side,
and 6 on the other.....

It looks like (I may be wrong) that you can't
have more than 4 pages per device. Is that so?

4 pages max per device. 5 pages of FAVs. But, don't forget that is 40 IR codes/macros PLUS all of the hard buttons. That's a lot of buttons per device.
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Post 17 made on Friday May 10, 2002 at 22:21
GregoriusM
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On 05/10/02 20:54.02, David Harrison said...
Greg, is there any way to move IR-database functionality
from one hard button to another? It looked to
me like you can alias buttons any way you want,
but the command has to exist on another button.
Is this right?

As for the favourites, I agree that for a custom
installer doing a lot of these, it's probably
bearable the way it is - but it would be nice
to see a wizard for this the way the TheaterTouch
software has - you click on a favourite button
and type in a channel number. Oh well, there
needs to be something to add for V2, I guess.
:-)

1) Basically, the IR code has to come from a DEVICE IR code database. So, to move an preprogrammed code, you do have to alias it by choosing the code from the other device.

In other words, to put a TV INPUT code on the CABLE device page, you have to use a code that is already in the TV device.

But, aliasing is no big deal. You've got plenty of LCD "slots", and you can make up a page of codes and hide that page if you want to use it strictly for aliasing to other pages.

2) I'm not familiar with TheaterTouch, but how does it know what device you are sending the channel number to? That's why you have to click on a device first before entering the channel numbers. But, I suppose clicking on a device and then keying in the channel numbers would be handy.
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Post 18 made on Saturday May 11, 2002 at 08:42
David Harrison
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Greg, I'd have to look at the TheaterTouch software again but I think you specify it when you enter the favourite channel wizard. Once you enter the wizard, you can create as many favourite channels as you want without choosing the device. For that matter, the MX-500 works this way as well.

Keep in mind that the TheaterTouch doesn't support favourite channels as a separate feature from run-of-the-mill macros - this is just a feature in the software to make it easy to build macros to choose favourite channels.

As for the IR codes - what I'm trying to understand is how I move the hard buttons around in a device, assuming I'm sticking to the IR database. For example, the DISH network/Expressvu device for Satellite TV puts the "Jump to previous channel" button on the LCD instead of on the Previous Channel button. I know I can alias the hard button to the LCD button, but if I delete the LCD button the hard button also loses the IR code, it seems. It looks like you would simply move the LCD button to a hidden LCD page.

I suspect that for many home users, while the IR database looks very useable, it may be simpler just to learn everything from the original remote wherever possible - that way you know it's an exact match to your equipment.

A couuple of other questions for you, Greg. On the MX-500, there is a (small) selection of graphic symbols available when labelling the LCD buttons. I can't find a way to access these graphics on the MX-700. Are they still there somewhere?

Also, is there any ability anywhere to specify an IR code in hex, like we can do in the Pronto software? I can't find it, and this is really a needed feature in terms of obtaining discrete codes for devices which aren't in the IR database. Otherwise, it seems like One for All remotes will remain important tools.
Post 19 made on Saturday May 11, 2002 at 15:23
GregoriusM
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On 05/11/02 08:42.51, David Harrison said...
Greg, I'd have to look at the TheaterTouch software
again but I think you specify it when you enter
the favourite channel wizard. Once you enter
the wizard, you can create as many favourite channels
as you want without choosing the device. For
that matter, the MX-500 works this way as well.

This looks like a good idea. I will make a suggestion to URC for future updates. But, keep in mind that the remote is targeted to custom installers who will no doubt save down a dozen or so FAV channel .mxd files for use in their areas, so I don't know if this would be a priority upgrade item.

As for the IR codes - what I'm trying to understand
is how I move the hard buttons around in a device,
assuming I'm sticking to the IR database. For
example, the DISH network/Expressvu device for
Satellite TV puts the "Jump to previous channel"
button on the LCD instead of on the Previous Channel
button. I know I can alias the hard button to
the LCD button, but if I delete the LCD button
the hard button also loses the IR code, it seems.
It looks like you would simply move the LCD button
to a hidden LCD page.

The hidden page route is the only way to do it.

I suspect that for many home users, while the
IR database looks very useable, it may be simpler
just to learn everything from the original remote
wherever possible - that way you know it's an
exact match to your equipment.

Just as with the MX-500, this is very often a good way to do it, except there are more discrete codes in the MX Editor database than are on the MX-500, and new ones will be added.

Also, once more and more device files are distributed (.mxd files) which no doubt will come from OneForAll remotes and Pronto CCf's, the missing codes will be added to the MX Editor database, ready for updating over the Internet.

A couuple of other questions for you, Greg. On
the MX-500, there is a (small) selection of graphic
symbols available when labelling the LCD buttons.
I can't find a way to access these graphics on
the MX-700. Are they still there somewhere?

I'll check and see which of the MX-500 symbols are available in MX Editor and transferrable to the remote itself. Any missing ones I will suggest be added to the software, along with some others I feel should be added.

Also, is there any ability anywhere to specify
an IR code in hex, like we can do in the Pronto
software? I can't find it, and this is really
a needed feature in terms of obtaining discrete
codes for devices which aren't in the IR database.
Otherwise, it seems like One for All remotes
will remain important tools.

There is no way to enter codes using hex, but that has been suggested a few times. I'm not sure whether this is planned for a later release or not.

Again, the OneForAlls will be used less and less since either Remote Central or URC will be providing a place to download .mxd files, which will contain the appropriate codes for your devices, just as the CCF's for the Pronto do now.

If you don't have a particular code, many of us who own OneForAll's and Pronto's will be more than happy to teach them to the MX-700, and then save down an .mxd file for you. (Caveat: This will obviously be 'time allowing'!)

... Greg :-)
When ignorance is bliss, ‘tis folly to be wise.
Post 20 made on Saturday May 11, 2002 at 15:55
MikeSRC
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On 05/11/02 15:23.50, GregoriusM said...
I'll check and see which of the MX-500 symbols
are available in MX Editor and transferrable to
the remote itself. Any missing ones I will suggest
be added to the software, along with some others
I feel should be added.

It's primarily the transport control symbols:
The up, down left and right triangles, square for stop, pause symbol and fast forward and rewind double triangles.
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Post 21 made on Saturday May 11, 2002 at 18:52
DJ Garcia
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A couple of immediate disappointments are the inability to multiple-select buttons to move them around. I find this a big handicap. Also, there's no way to rearrange the page order in a device that I can see, which is also a big miss.

The only place I found you can copy / cut / paste pages is in the Favorites device, which is truly bizarre. If you can do it there, why not the other devices? And even this works in a strange way. If I cut a Fav page, it remains there but "shaded". If I copy then delete and add a new page, the "copied" contents don't paste to the new page, plus the program crashed. This is running XP on a P4.

Looks like page management needs an upgrade :-).

Overall I find the program easier to use than ProntoEdit, but nowhere as slick as the T2 application. Obviously, this is version 1.0, so updates will be coming!

My 2 cents ...

DJ
MX-990
Post 22 made on Sunday May 12, 2002 at 00:01
Paul_Saul
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If you want to rearrange pages within a device
the easiest way is to drag and drop buttons within
the LCD Button Editor dialog box.

Post 23 made on Sunday May 12, 2002 at 10:24
b_p_smith
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Obviously, this is version 1.0, so updates will
be coming!

I dunno, in reading the thread(s) about the MX-1000 software, you may be expecting a bit much.

Call it unfair, but it looks to me like URC has a proven track record when it comes to post-sales support of their software, and it's *not* a good one.

I'm going to have to see some *serious* good-will effort on the part of URC before I'd consider spending any more money on their stuff.
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