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Post 1 made on Tuesday March 16, 2004 at 16:31
avintegrator
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Has anyone tried to use the iPronto to control a lighting control system such as the vantage, we have done lots of prontos and marantz remotes and have done (and hated doing) lighting control in the past but i need to suck it up and decide fulltime between vantage and lutron, but with vantage being ip controllable can i control it with an iPronto???
P.S. I just got my 1st iPronto to play with @ the office i was waiting for most of the bugs to be worked out since there seemed to be so many initally
Post 2 made on Tuesday March 16, 2004 at 17:56
Kees van der Meer
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I'm using my iPronto to control X-10 lighting devices from Marmitek. Have you already tried it out with my new ICF (see download area).

Kees,
Post 3 made on Wednesday March 17, 2004 at 12:25
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I think the following is true, but would like someone to correct me if they have better intel.

1) The iPronto puts out IR, RF in WiFi compliant format (2.4 ghz carrier) and RF in a specialized other format with I believe has a 417 mhz carrier

2) The IR system handles basically Remote Control IR as used in remote control of A/V equipments and other devices. It is one way (out from the iPronto, although the hardware is two way capable (e.g.learning).

3) The RF/WiFi format is used when locating NetX devices (not when dealing with them for IR emission from the netX); and when iProntoEdit is searching for iPronto's to download, and when downlaoding (or uploading data from them. The RF/WiFi is used in all operations involving the Browser, talking to the Internet EPG downlaod, etc.

4) The RF format for the NetX (lets call it RF/NetX to distinguish it from RF/WiFi)is "proprietary" in the sense it is not fully described other than I bleieve it runs at a carrier of 417 mhz.

5) The Remote control section of the iPronto puts out IR or the RF/NetX by assigning a timing string to each "touchpad button". The decision on IR vs RF is on a device basis.

6) For the iPronto to talk to/control anything else other than an IR receiver or a netX some sort of transcoding must be done external to the iPronto and along the signal path between it and the end device. An example of this is a device that accepts IR and puts out X10. This is a specific case of the generic device class known as transcoders.

It would be real nice, i.e. very high on my wish list, that iPronto were to be able to emit a TCP/IP formatted (or UDP) formatted RF/WiFi sequence in the same manner as it emits IR. One would assign an IP address to a button, and the string to be transmitted (arbitrary hex or ascii) and the iPronto would handle the rest. this would allow for people to develop varuious types of modules to allow good solid communications (ideally two way) between the iPronto and a PC which then opens up the whole world of automation. One way should be trivial; two way needs some functionality thought; especially in the status request area.
OP | Post 4 made on Thursday March 18, 2004 at 17:05
avintegrator
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Thanks Kees and yes i just downloaded your .icf very nice indeed. But i think Barry i right in wishing you a real wifi protocol to talk to other equipment, it just seems like it would be a natural progression.
Post 5 made on Thursday March 25, 2004 at 14:20
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My understanding is the iPronto is 802.11b ONLY. No additional RF is transmitted from the iPronto.

The NexX is also an IP based 802.11b device. (My router assigns mine an IP address and it will return a PING.)
Send the NetX properly formatted packets containing IR coding and it will spit out analog IR.


Hope this bit helps.

Richard
Post 6 made on Sunday March 28, 2004 at 23:16
Barry Gordon
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ME richard, I disagree. Put a packet sniffer on the network and you will see no 802.11b (TCP/IP or UDP/IP) traffic when the iPronto sends RF to the NetX. You will see the traffic (802.11b) when the pronto or prontoedit attempts to "discover" the existance of the NetX's. I do agree that the NetX does obey IP protocol (to a degree) but not when receiving IR from the iPronto.
Post 7 made on Monday March 29, 2004 at 14:35
flynbw01
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Well, my NetX stops working when my network goes down, and comes back on when it boots up. I don't know the communication method or packet transfer situation, but it does not use the 418mhz band(just for clarity's sake it is 418 not 417). Maybe it uses the 2.4Ghz band to communicate directly to the NetX and not through the network.
Post 8 made on Friday April 9, 2004 at 00:25
dlynn439
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i need to suck it up and decide
fulltime between vantage and lutron,

To use the Ipronto with Vantage, use IR wo/DTB portal. iPronto currently does not support flash players in the browser, and philips from what I understand is not lookin to do so. They don't really have the software support in house that others may have.

Just use vantage ir codes from vantage and you can do anything you need. Not Ellegant, but effective.

the iPronto may have great bells and rings, but it does not play well with others without getting beat over the head several times.

BTW: vantage is an open platform when connected to an IP enabler. send/recieve whatever over ethernet.


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