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Post 16 made on Sunday December 25, 2005 at 18:39
Kees van der Meer
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Daniel,

You're not allowed by Philips to answer or comment anything regarding iPronto?

regards,
Kees
Post 17 made on Thursday January 5, 2006 at 21:42
Barry Gordon
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Having been an iPronto user from day one, I find little problems with it, but then again I ask very little of it. All I ask is to send an IR sequence that I associated with a touchscreen button or hard key when I press it and possibly to go to a different iPronto screen. I use no other features.

Having said that I will NEVER buy another Philips product, and I do mean NEVER. I feel that they made implied promises based upon which people spent a lot of money. They (Philips) then hid behind their "Subject to change" disclaimer and the word "future". The only company that has even come close to dealing so poorly with their customers is Sony BMG with their latest copy protection fiasco involving the installation of buggy spying software on PC's that they do not own or have any rights to. All of this whether you say yes or no when they ask, and then not even providing a way to remove it.

If Philips has truly abondoned the product, then the least they could do is release the software and developent environments so others could take an interesting piece of hardware and make it a very powerful tool.

At this time there is a company that has developed an iPronto like product to be available 1Q06. The company is RTI and there web site is www.rticorp.com. The product is the T4. It will be evry interesting what they do with that product in the way of support, and open extensibility.

Another interesting company is Roku Labs who released a media device with an interesting hardware platform mainly for displaying HD images and playing music. What they did that is interesting was to release a full development kit to extend the base software which is just Linux running some apps. Third party developers have made the device very interesting. The company actively supports the third party developers. An interesting take on "TiVo hacking". The hardware as some problems, but they are easily overcome.

In summary, Philips NEVER, Sony-BMG heading for trouble. There are lots of developments coming to the market place.
Post 18 made on Thursday January 5, 2006 at 21:51
prontopro
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The Philips iPronto is a great remote...HOWEVER, it is true. There will be NO more updates to the iPronto. But I wouldn't be surprised if Philips gave everyone a nice present and made a developer kit available. :)
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Post 19 made on Friday January 6, 2006 at 04:03
SirKalle
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On January 5, 2006 at 21:51, prontopro said...
The Philips iPronto is a great remote...HOWEVER,
it is true. There will be NO more updates to
the iPronto. But I wouldn't be surprised if Philips
gave everyone a nice present and made a developer
kit available. :)

Uhhh, do you have more information about that? Or is it just a joke?

Best regards,

Kalle
Post 20 made on Friday January 6, 2006 at 16:24
Grimmace
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Read the I talked to Phillips thread. The Pronto team member told me no more updates unless it is to fix something the remote is already doing.
Post 21 made on Friday January 6, 2006 at 16:52
JonBarnard
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Dear Mr Philips!

I can't say in public what I think of you and your company! What a low down nasty trick to pull! Produce a product that you never had any intensions of finishing, I am of course talking about the iPronto, a device which is to say the least bloody expensive, especially when you take into account that most of the promised functions don't work, and by the sounds of it never will!

You don't seem to understand that this kind of device with this kind of price tag, is not bought by people likely it's not a £20 kettle (Which by the way I bought from philips and within 1 year promptly died) It's disgusting that when I questioned philips by e-mail about the functionality on the ipronto, I was informed that I should by the new remote control.....Why Don't You Understand....I'M NOT GOING TO BUY YET ANOTHER DEVICE FROM YOU BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T BE BOTHERED TO FINISH THE FIRST ONE!! Just release the source code and let people with the skills and dedication finish what you started!! Or please inform me how I can return this stinking door stop for a full RRP refund, as it's only just short of Fraud, something I'm sure your legal team has already checked out in full before you made the decision to stop work!!

My final comment is I wish Philips every failure in the future, I for one will never part with any of my hard earn cash on any philips product again. I keep hoping that Philips as lots in common with Enron...still if you customer service is anything to go by it won't be long....and if that lucky day happens can I have first dibs on the boardroom table as my children need somewhere to play with crayons....or is that what it's currently used for!!!!
Post 22 made on Saturday January 7, 2006 at 03:32
SirKalle
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On January 6, 2006 at 16:24, Grimmace said...
Read the I talked to Phillips thread. The Pronto
team member told me no more updates unless it
is to fix something the remote is already doing.

Well, how about a update to fix the security hole with WLAN WEP encryption? We need WPA and this yesterday!

Oh, it's so sad about Philips.

Best regards,

Kalle
Post 23 made on Sunday January 8, 2006 at 05:12
Jean-Max
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On January 5, 2006 at 21:42, Barry Gordon said...

If Philips has truly abondoned the product, then the least
they could do is release the software and developent
environments so others could take an interesting piece of
hardware and make it a very powerful tool

During a recent HT show, I heard about this surprising rumour :
The Ipronto is stopped because of problems to recycle it in end of life : "too much lead inside"

Heard about that ?
Jean-Max
Post 24 made on Sunday January 8, 2006 at 09:31
Grimmace
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They will never fix the WEP issue because they never said it would have WPA that I know of. I wish I could put a G wireless card in it. l looked at the manual again and several of the features we want are listed as not working at this time. It implies they will at some point. But, I'm sure the lawyers make sure that would not hold them accountable to actually implementing the features on the device. There are too many remotes out there to be bothered with this type of crappy product. I too will never buy phillips again, and steer anyone else away from them. Like most big companies, I doubt they care either.
Post 25 made on Monday January 9, 2006 at 20:38
prontopro
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On January 6, 2006 at 04:03, SirKalle said...
Uhhh, do you have more information about that?
Or is it just a joke?

No joke.

On January 8, 2006 at 05:12, Jean-Max said...
During a recent HT show, I heard about this surprising
rumour :
The Ipronto is stopped because of problems to
recycle it in end of life : "too much lead inside"

Heard about that ?

I heard from a bird that Philips halted production of iPronto's and updates to it as well due to poor sales of the iPronto. Not enough ROI and high repair/replacement fees. I wasn't aware this was "new information". The phase out was put in motion long ago.
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Post 26 made on Tuesday January 10, 2006 at 21:15
Dan T.
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I would just like to add my name to the list of iPronto users that wish Philips would continue to "service" the remote. Come on Philips, at least finish what you started.
Post 27 made on Wednesday January 11, 2006 at 06:09
SirKalle
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On January 9, 2006 at 20:38, prontopro said...
No joke.

I heard from a bird that Philips halted production
of iPronto's and updates to it as well due to
poor sales of the iPronto. Not enough ROI and
high repair/replacement fees. I wasn't aware
this was "new information". The phase out was
put in motion long ago.

Well, what did they expect about such a "high-pricing" product?

And even if they didn't get their development costs back (negative ROI) they should official inform all users on their poor website that the product will end of live in 200x?!

And finally put all the sourcecodes free for download ....

Best regards,

Kalle
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