I've been unable to find discrete ON or STANDBY/OFF codes for my Onkyo TX-SR500 and at this point I'm guessing that maybe the SR500 does not support such codes.

This seems strange since I read numerous posts here saying that Onkyo receivers have traditionally had discretes (even to the exclusion of a toggle) and that even the SR600 (the next model in the family) has ON and STANDBY discretes on its remote (whereas the remote for my SR500 has an ON/STANDBY toggle button).

Is this a known issue? I tried searching the archive and found a few oblique references but nothing definitive.

BEK

I don't know the answer to your question but here are the usual Onkyo power commands:

Device Code: 210.109 Function: 4 On or Toggle

0000 006D 0022 0002 0157 00AC 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0689 0157 0056 0015 0E94


Device Code: 210.108 Function: 71 Off

0000 006D 0022 0002 0157 00AC 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0689 0157 0056 0015 0E94

In many receivers the discrete input commands also act as power On commands if the unit is Off.

If that works a macro for Input command | Power toggle is a discrete Off.

If only the Off command works above then Off|Power toggle = discrete On

You can always get to a virtual discrete power command if you have either Off or On.

-Jon

Thanks Jon. I have an HTM MX-500 so I'd need IRClone/500e to test the codes you provide. I'm still considering a purchase of the IRClone/500e editting package.

My Onkyo TX-SR500 receiver does not turn ON with discrete input commands (I just tried it using the factory remote, in fact the only button on that remote which will turn it ON is the ON/STANDBY button).

I'd of course be interesting in hearing from anyone with the Onkyo TX-SR500 who knows whether or not these discretes are supported.

Nevertheless, thanks for posting these generic Onkyo codes.

BEK

Another alternative is to pick up a Radio Shack 15-2104 currently being closed out for $10 and buy or build JP1 cable ($0-$20) load a device upgrade and teach your MX. It will definitely take a JP1 cable to load the upgrade for the power off command. (NEC1:210.108 is not in the built in library)

I can't promise that it will work on your Onkyo, receiver but AFAIK, it CAN be programmed to produce just about any IR signal that a Pronto can.

-Jon

Ok, I believe I know the answer for whether the TX-SR500 supports discrete Power commands. It is only 50% satisfying.

THE APPARENT ANSWER FOR THE ONKYO TX-SR500:
I visited the Circuit City store today where I bought my SR500 a few months back. By using Onkyo remotes for other Onkyo devices (which have discrete ON and STANDBY/OFF), I found that SR500 is one of the Onkyo units which accepts a _discrete_ STANDBY/OFF command but only a _toggle_ ON command. I.e., the usual Onkyo discrete STANDBY/OFF works on the SR500 but the usual Onkyo discrete ON command FUNCTIONS AS A TOGGLE and is not discrete for the SR500. (I had previously read in the forums here that this was true of some Onkyo devices, but I wasn't sure which.)

I guess having the discrete STANDBY/OFF is better than having no discrete command at all.

Funny you should mention the RS 15-2104 remote Jon since I picked one up just a few days ago and I've been able to get the discrete codes for all my devices except the TX-SR500 using just the advanced codes (no JP1). If necessary I'd dive into the JP1 world but I'd rather not unless I have to.

Before posting my original question about the SR500, I had tested all 256 advanced codes for the SR500 with my 15-2104 but the problem I was only looking for the discrete ON (the machine was in STANDBY/OFF mode during my search). I never bothered to do the same search with the unit turned on to look for a discrete OFF code. I can't even say for sure there is such an advanced code, but at this point I've learned the discrete OFF code to my remote from the remote at the store.

Hope this helps other TX-SR500 owners. Thanks for your input Jon.

BEK

You really will need the JP1 cable for the discrete Off. To split hairs a bit, in the OFA world we consider Setup codes and devices as being two different things. Setup Codes frequently have multiple device codes. In this case it does not.

Setup Code Audio_0135 is NEC1:210.109. This means the NEC1 Protocol device 210 and sub-device 109. Commands or functions vary for each device. Command 4 is the power toggle in your case. So if you search for all 256 possible commands in Setup code Audio_0135, you will get NEC1:210.109 command 0 through 255.

However, the power off command uses a different sub-device NEC1:210.108 (command 71=Off) and that device/sub-device combination is not in any setup code in the 2104's library.

So you would need a device upgrade, but I am making it sound hard. I have pasted it below:

Upgrade code 0 = 34 6F (Tuner/1135)
5A 00 F1 28 B4 C9 6F 2F 0F 8F 4F EF 1F ED 9F AF
BF 3F 5F FF 7F 1D
End

This is it. You can paste (from Upgrade Code to End inclusive) into IR.exe (Device Tab | Add |Paste |OK), go to the General Tab assign 1135 to the AUX device key, and upload it to your remote.

Power Off will now be on the Power key under the Aux device. I did this whole thing in a few minutes using another tool Key Map Master to make the device upgrade.

Now you just need the JP1 cable and download the IR program.

BTW, once you program the macro Off|power toggle for the virtual discrete On, it will be reliable and quick.

-Jon

Do you know if this is true for the 8811?

I have a Onkyo 828 receiver that I had given up hope of finding discrete On/Offs for, but since I do have an 8811 it might be worth trying these codes.... just in case...

I think NEC1:210.108 is VCR/0612, which I think is in the URC7541 and not in any other model. It's not in the 8811 anyway.

It's easy to add with a JP1 cable of course.

The 8811 becomes so much better when you use JP1, I think it's nuts to use an 8811 without JP1.

BTW a question for Jon. NEC1:210.108 is fixed data "20 B4 C9". You posted "28 B4 C9". I forget what subtle behavior will be different from parm bit3. What was your source for that?

John,

It came up as NEC-28 in devices4.xls, so I dutifully plugged it in to KM Master since I didn't remember exactly what it did either.

I just looked at some ccf2efc decodes and I think certain keys Vol+/-, cursor+/- etc repeat the entire first frame of NEC1 (and decode as NEC2), while others do classic NEC1 (the first frame once and repeat the frame with out data).

-Jon

Not being a programer, I am confused. Are you saying that there is a discrete code that will power off the receiver but will not power it on when pressed a second time? If so, that will work for me because I plan to use a seperate button to assign a macro to power off everything. I want that button to power off all devices and if it's pushed again I DON'T want it to power anything on. That way I can use other macro buttons to perform the power on procedures for all the other devices.

This however is still not the ideal solution because if I activate the macro that powers things on and the device is already on, it will power it off. Here's my biggest question. I have an MX-500 and I plan to purchase the IR-Clone hardware and software. Will I be able to create these discrete codes for my specific devices with the IR-Clone software and hardware, or will I still need another remote such as the OFA 8811 and the JP1 cable? I know IR-Clone plans on having a conversion for Pronto codes sometime in the fall. But in the meantime, how the heck do I get there from here? Do I need to purchase the IR-Clone software and hardware for easy programability and backup as well as the OFA 8811 and JP1 cable so I can get the codes into my MX-500? If that's the case, I might as well spend an extra $100 and buy the MX-700. Would that solve all my problems? Or would I still be faced with the "No discrete codes for my device" delima?

If a device does not contain an "embedded" discrete code such as "one code for on" and "one code for off" can you make a code for that device that will work?

I am sure MikeR from SurfRemote might have an answer for this one. What baffles me is that I have a OFA 6012 and it only lists one setup code for Onkyo (0135). The MX-500 manual lists about 13. How do I see what "Advanced" codes are contained in the 13 setup codes listed in the MX-500 manual. I don't see those listed anywhere. I have tried www.hi-firemote.com and variouls other sites to no avail.

I suspect I am going to have the same problem with my Dish Network 301 receiver (made by JVC) and my DVD 7 Disk changer (model #XV-FA900BK).

Is it ever going to get easier instead of harder? I thought technology was suppose to make our life's easier... Not harder!?

By the way, my Onkyo is the HT-R500 which I believe is the same or about the same as the TX-SR500.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

My read of this thread is that a discrete off command (what you just described) exists for SOME models of Onkyo receiver.


Various possible solutions to that were described above, but again you may need to experiment to find what works for your model.


I have no idea what format and editing capability IR-Clone has for IR signals. If it gives you any ability to examine and edit IR signals in its own format, then post a few of its Onkyo signals and I probably can figure out how to make the others.


I don't see enough information in this thread to deduce whether your device has discretes and if not, how kludgy the work arounds would need to be.


I assume the MX-500 manufacturer doesn't want to give away their information on IR codes any more than OneForAll brand wants to give away their information. The major online sources of IR signal information are derived from users. The large quantity of that information which is based on OneForAll or Pronto is because those two brands have more active user communities.


I think the CCF and CML files here at RC are rich sources of Onkyo command information if you use the latest versions of my ccf2efc and cml2efc decoding programs (available in the Yahoo JP1 group).

BEK,

Maybe this will help. I have an Onkyo HT-R500 which is essentially the same as a TX-SR500 with the exception of power ratings. I have an MX-500 and I took it to Circuit City today and used one of their Onkyo TX-700 receiver remotes to learn the discrete power off/standby function as well as the power on function. You are correct concerning the toggle of the power on code. If the receiver is already on then pushing the "learned" power on button will turn it off on the HT-R500/TX-SR500. However, pushing the Standby/off button turns the receiver off but does not turn it on if pushed a second time. Half is better then none I guess in this case. Hope that helps.

Yes, this is what I found and reported in my response (post #3) in this thread (see above). But thanks. It seems we followed similar paths here as I too eventually visited CC to 'learn' from their other Onkyo remotes. So far I've been quite happy with my solution of simply always leaving the receiver on.

BEK

I mentioned this earlier in this thread, a very good workaround for a discrete On in this case is a macro for Off | Power toggle. You may have to tinker with a slight delay between commands on some remotes. I think you will find that very reliable.

-Jon

What other Onkyo models have the standby/off and power buttons to learn from. I think I'll take my MX-500 to Circuit City this weekend.


Cheers.
J.