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Need help with a bizarre NEC code
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Post 1 made on Tuesday August 28, 2007 at 13:29
CAnderson
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I have gotten some protocol from Ayre electronics for their CX5e cd player & can not figure out what to do with them. Learning the codes from the remote seemed pretty much imposible. I tried using an anchor command for all buttons when pressing but the biggest problem is play is about the only command I could learn reliably & I tried every trick in the book short of standing on my head.
From their description all commands must be preceded by A3h + 99h (where h+hexadecimal). The Device code is AFh and the play command is 9Eh (again h is hex).

If someone could just get me started here it would be appreciated or I can forward the PDF file with the complete codeset if it helps. I primarily use the MX series from universal remote (the client has a MX3000) and can also make use of Crestron or Niles software and learn from one of their IR devices to the MX if that makes it any easier.

Any help is greatly appreciated,
Chris
Chris
Post 2 made on Tuesday August 28, 2007 at 14:36
johnsfine
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On August 28, 2007 at 13:29, CAnderson said...
play
is about the only command I could learn reliably

What form do you have PLAY in? Pronto Hex would be best. But if you don't have that, it sounds like you must have some form I could import into my MX-850 (from which I could examine the signal). You could email that to me (address in profile).

IR documentation is usually ambiguous, so examining a learned signal is a big help toward understanding what the doicumentation actually means.

From their description all commands must be preceded
by A3h + 99h (where h+hexadecimal). The Device code is
AFh and the play command is 9Eh (again h is hex).

That sure sounds like Pioneer's two part signals. Some remotes generating Pioneer two part signals do several frames of the first part before switching to the second part. Some learning remotes run out of buffer space during the multiple frames of the first part, so they never see the second part.

I can forward the PDF file with the complete
codeset if it helps.

I prefer a URL for such things if available. But email the PDF if you have no URL for it. I might be able to deduce everything from just that PDF, but a learned signal plus the PDF would be better.

I primarily use the MX series from
universal remote (the client has a MX3000) and can also
make use of Crestron or Niles software and learn from
one of their IR devices to the MX if that makes it any
easier.

Once we understand what the documentation means, the path to using the information is:
1) MakeHex to create a .hex file
2) IrPanels or Hex2CCF to convert to a CCF file.
3) Universal browser to drag selected signals from the CCF to the MX configuration
OP | Post 3 made on Tuesday August 28, 2007 at 15:36
CAnderson
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[Link: marketing.ayre.com]. this is off of the dealer portion of their website but hopefully they will not have an issue.

pdf for all of the Ayre components.

I learned the play command onto a MX3000 & unforunately do not have one with me to relearn onto an 850. I tried running through some different codes in the data base but never thought to give Pioneer a try.

I am also sending the MX3000 file over to you.

John thanks for the quick response,

Chris
Chris
Post 4 made on Tuesday August 28, 2007 at 16:41
johnsfine
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The info in the PDF makes me more convinced these are Pioneer signals. But I checked a bunch of CCF files for Pioneer CD players. All the ones I checked use the same signals as each other, which are NOT the signals documented by your PDF file.

I also checked a couple CCF files for Pioneer CD Recoders. Those use the same signal structure as the signals described in that PDF file, but with a different prefix code. So those files also wouldn't work for you directly.
Post 5 made on Tuesday August 28, 2007 at 17:29
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I had misread something earlier, so until I checked the PLAY command in the file you sent, I didn't notice that these are typical Pioneer DVD signals (not CD). I'll check some details.
Post 6 made on Tuesday August 28, 2007 at 17:40
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The codes seem to match Pioneer DVD's, but the code to function mapping doesn't seem to match up very well. Rather than sort through a mess of mismatched buttons in some CCF for Pioneer DVD, I emailed a CCF with numbered buttons for all functions (made with MakeHex and Hex2CCF).

For each function, you need to take the Command code from that Ayre PDF file, convert it from hex to decimal and use that to select the button number from the CCF I emailed.

Windows calculator in View/Scientific mode has hex to decimal conversion if you don't have an easier way.
Post 7 made on Tuesday August 28, 2007 at 17:49
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I used the Pioneer DVD Player DV-646A in this CCF
[Link: remotecentral.com]
for some of my comparison.

Its On, Off, Eject, Step_Back and Step_Forward functions all matched your PDF file. Its Play, Scan_forward, Pause, Stop, Track_back, and Track_Forward functions all didn't match your PDF file. I stopped comparing at that point.
Post 8 made on Tuesday August 28, 2007 at 18:00
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Sometime I'm at least slow seeing the forest for the trees. I finally noticed:

I don't know Ayre model numbering, so I didn't think about the model numbers. But I see the D-1xe and DX-7e in that file have functions that only a DVD player, not a CD player would have and they have codes mostly matching Pioneer DVD players.

The C-5xe does not have the DVD functions that are meaningless on a CD player. But otherwise its functions match those of the two DVD players. So that is how this CD player ended up with a set of IR signals that nearly matches a Pioneer DVD player.


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