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| Topic: | Longish audio run from outdoor TV to a Sonos Amp This thread has 34 replies. Displaying posts 16 through 30. |
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| Post 16 made on Thursday October 20, 2022 at 12:58 |
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I hope that someone learned that the cheapest possible cables are not always the cheapest solution.
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| OP | Post 17 made on Thursday October 20, 2022 at 17:02 |
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On October 20, 2022 at 08:57, BobL said...
At 40-50ft and being used just for ARC a good passive HDMI will work for 4K. Just finished something like this yesterday. If you need 8K then use other options.
Electrician called us for setting up Eero and Sonos. Electrician did all the wiring and cabling. We made suggestions before the project on what cables the electrician should use but he can't get those brands. Electrician ran seven 50ft Ruipro 8k active optical HDMI cables he bought on Amazon because they are cheaper. Only 3 worked with ARC all going into Sonos amps but some needed to be used for inputs as well.
Put our tester on them and only 1 passed 4k @ 18gbs, 1 other @14gbs, 4 others @1080P and one not at all. None even could do 8K even though that's what they advertised. Since they were in the wall, we tried them anyway. 3 cables worked but 3 of the power injectors that came with didn't. They don't come with a power supply, so they were all plugged into USB port of the One Connect box. When didn't work, tried different power supplies on them with no luck, definitely the power injectors. After spending 2 days T&M for the electrician he agreed to change out the cables but still didn't want to buy ours (Ethereal or Bullet Train we offered) and ran 50ft passive cables from Vanco and Avarro. Luckily, he did heed my advice previously and ran conduit.
They all now worked with ARC with the Sonos Amps. Tested the Avarro 50ft models and they did 4K @ 14gbs but surprisingly the Vanco 50ft passed 4K @ 18gbs. So, the TVs with multiple runs used the Avarro for ARC with no problems and the ones going to other inputs used the Vanco. Finally, our 3rd day all the HDMIs are working with the Sonos Amps, the Ruipros only had one working with ARC with them. They are all Frame TVs (different sizes) for reference.
If it wasn't T&M I would have not been happy having 2 guys for 3 days messing with HDMI issues, the whole project should have been 1 day. Hope this helps. It does help. Thank you. I love the idea of simply using a passive HDMI. KISS. Vanco has a passive 50ft 10gb/s but the 18gb/s are active. Are you saying that the 10gb/s cable actually performs better than specified? You would t happen to recall the model of cable you installed? If I’m just using this to pass audio then 10 vs 18gb/s is irrelevant right? Craig.
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| Post 18 made on Friday October 21, 2022 at 00:36 |
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I have one of each option you mention running at my own house.
1. 40'ish super cheap amazon passive hdmi cable running under the house to a Sonos amp. It works, but I really need to swap out the cable for something more legit. It gets flaky at times and needs to be unplugged/replugged at the TV. I rally think its the cable.
2. Optical out of TV to Sonos amp using Sonos hdmi/toslink adapter (comes with the ARC and Beam but can be bought as an accessory). It works perfectly. BUT you have to have some sort of way to get IR to the AMP for volume control.
3. Headphone jack out of TV to a pair of old rg-59 cables (old recycled component video) That runs to the audio input of Sonos Connect Amp. The Amp is setup to autoplay at approx 75% volume. TV volume adjustment attenuates the volume. Occasional issues where the auto volume on the Sonos does not set correctly. Note, you want to set the audio delay on the Sonos to minimum as well.
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| Post 19 made on Friday October 21, 2022 at 09:58 |
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Murideo Fox and Hound [Link: murideo.com]They cost about $2500 for the pair Currently they can only do 40gbs and the new HDMI version is 48gbs. So, hopefully they will have an upgrade or new version in the future. Even though I know very little material uses all 48gbs it would be good for a tester to have that capability and 40gbs is probably fine.
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| Post 20 made on Friday October 21, 2022 at 10:06 |
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10gbs should be fine for audio but not sure with ARC. I was surprised the Vanco passed 4K @ 18gbs. This is the one they had. [Link: vanco1.com]
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| Post 21 made on Friday October 21, 2022 at 10:56 |
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On October 21, 2022 at 09:58, BobL said...
Murideo Fox and Hound [Link: murideo.com]They cost about $2500 for the pair Currently they can only do 40gbs and the new HDMI version is 48gbs. So, hopefully they will have an upgrade or new version in the future. Even though I know very little material uses all 48gbs it would be good for a tester to have that capability and 40gbs is probably fine. I own those (not the newest version) but don’t understand their full capability. Need to spend more time with them obviously. I wonder if they would produce results through an extender pair that would accurately quantify any issues. Have you used them to test cat extenders? It would be instructive to test the Sonos/Snap B260 extenders, which I have seen fail in two different systems, and compare with an AVPro set which currently shows signs of being a fix in one of those two systems. I don’t know what the failure point would be… some protocol issue, or purely data throughput?
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| OP | Post 22 made on Friday October 21, 2022 at 13:35 |
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On October 21, 2022 at 10:06, BobL said...
10gbs should be fine for audio but not sure with ARC. I was surprised the Vanco passed 4K @ 18gbs. This is the one they had. [Link: vanco1.com]Thank you.
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| Post 23 made on Friday October 21, 2022 at 14:37 |
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You can use the tester for extenders. The older 4K version is fine for 95+% of what we do, since 8K really has very little source material. The exception would be game machines.
The testers don'ttest for ARC specifically but ARC runs partly on the hot plug detect line so that could be an indicator if ARC will work i you get pass/fail on the HPD of the analyzer.
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| Post 24 made on Friday October 21, 2022 at 20:20 |
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I've been using fibre HDMI product for long runs that are serviceable (eg conduit). They are way more reliable than extenders, can do much higher bandwidth and cost less. There are even lots of products on Amazon that have worked really well for me on low budget jobs. I would say they are no worse than known brands and probably come from the same factories. Even if you are running it through walls, it's a good back up. Use fibre HDMI along with some Cat6.
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| Post 25 made on Friday October 21, 2022 at 23:54 |
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What are preferred brands for fiber hdmi?
Not interested in Amazon product.
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| Post 26 made on Saturday October 22, 2022 at 10:45 |
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On October 21, 2022 at 23:54, tomciara said...
What are preferred brands for fiber hdmi?
Not interested in Amazon product. This is where Brent should pop in and say, "give me a call on Monday".
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| Post 27 made on Saturday October 22, 2022 at 17:32 |
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On October 21, 2022 at 23:54, tomciara said...
What are preferred brands for fiber hdmi?
Not interested in Amazon product. I think most of the major brands carry them...Ethereal, Vanco, Key Digital...etc...I've used Ethereal and Vanco. Can do 8K and were no problem. I would say I've had zero problems with fibre HDMI even up to 100ft in the last 3 years of using them extensively. Another nice thing is that they are very thin and flexible compared to long HDMI cables
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| Post 28 made on Saturday October 22, 2022 at 17:50 |
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We have used this [Link: greenaudiovideo.com] with success. Accepts either analog, toslink or dig coax and outputs either of the 3. So you could use the toslink out of the tv to coax dig in on the Sonos.
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| Post 29 made on Saturday October 22, 2022 at 21:30 |
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The Problem with fiber optic cables is ARC/eARC. These fiber optic cables typically have fiber optic and copper wire inside them. They use the copper for ARC/eARC and while fiber optic can go longer the copper still limits it to about a max of 10m-20m (33ft-66ft). Keep this in mind when using fiber optic. AVPro and Ethereal list the limits of ARC/eARC can carry but many manufacturers don't!
If you are going over 18gbs for 8K and want ARC the best you can do is 20m, if you want ARC and longer distances, I don't know of a solution yet, but I imagine they will come out with a fiber optic extender.
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| OP | Post 30 made on Monday November 7, 2022 at 17:03 |
Craig Aguiar-Winter Senior Member |
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Hey all. Thanks for everyone’s input.
I did the install today and used a 50ft active (18gb/s) cable as the aforementioned passive cable is discontinued.
Worked very well. All sound and control functionality are as one would hope.
Craig
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