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Longish audio run from outdoor TV to a Sonos Amp
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Post 1 made on Wednesday October 19, 2022 at 10:58
Craig Aguiar-Winter
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Hey all. Client has a TV in a covered area outside. We want to add a pair of speakers and a Sonos Amp. I have Optical, headphone Jack and HDMI as options for returning the audio. The amp will go in his furnace room in the basement. The cable run is about 40ft. But let’s say 50-60 just in case.

Analogue audio to a balun I have done many times but being a headphone jack I’m concerned we’ll get a stupid icon on the screen or something indicating it’s a head phone connection.

I’ve never run an optical that far. Is that a thing? The Sonos Amp doesn’t have optical anyway I don’t think, so I’d still be converting to analogue anyway. May as well do it at the TV and then use a balun I guess.


I could use an HDMI over Cat6 solution… but that’s a pretty expensive way just to bring an audio signal back to the amp. Will a passive HDMI cable at that length do the job to get audio signal to the Amp?

Any insight is appreciated.

Thanks.

Craig
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Post 2 made on Wednesday October 19, 2022 at 11:36
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Optiocal over Cat or dac then audio over cat.
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Post 3 made on Wednesday October 19, 2022 at 12:38
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Snap has a rather inexpensive ARC extender (not a HDMI extender) that retails for under $200
Post 4 made on Wednesday October 19, 2022 at 13:21
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On October 19, 2022 at 12:38, goldenzrule said...
Snap has a rather inexpensive ARC extender (not a HDMI extender) that retails for under $200

Yup. B-260-ARC - works great. I've used them with Samsung and LG tvs - longer than 50 ft. Makes the Amp/TV/Spkrs operate exactly like a Sonos soundbar.
Post 5 made on Wednesday October 19, 2022 at 13:39
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On October 19, 2022 at 13:21, MediaImageAV said...
Yup. B-260-ARC - works great. I've used them with Samsung and LG tvs - longer than 50 ft. Makes the Amp/TV/Spkrs operate exactly like a Sonos soundbar.

Ewww, until it stops working. I'd try good old analog headphone first.
OP | Post 6 made on Wednesday October 19, 2022 at 14:42
Craig Aguiar-Winter
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I have never used the analogue input on a Sonos amp. Just the HDMI. Will it turn on automatically when it senses the analogue signal?
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Post 7 made on Wednesday October 19, 2022 at 16:39
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On October 19, 2022 at 14:42, Craig Aguiar-Winter said...
I have never used the analogue input on a Sonos amp. Just the HDMI. Will it turn on automatically when it senses the analogue signal?

I don't believe so. Would be super handy if it did.
Post 8 made on Wednesday October 19, 2022 at 17:44
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It's a user option.
OP | Post 9 made on Wednesday October 19, 2022 at 18:09
Craig Aguiar-Winter
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On October 19, 2022 at 17:44, buzz said...
It's a user option.

Indeed I just read the manual (I know, I know) and you can activate the auto play feature on both the Amp and Port, to play when they sense an input on the line in.

Craig.
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Post 10 made on Wednesday October 19, 2022 at 19:53
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ARC of course. works great. controls the volume, switchs inputs seamlessly, no fuss no muss.
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Post 11 made on Thursday October 20, 2022 at 00:25
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On October 19, 2022 at 13:21, MediaImageAV said...
Yup. B-260-ARC - works great. I've used them with Samsung and LG tvs - longer than 50 ft. Makes the Amp/TV/Spkrs operate exactly like a Sonos soundbar.

Have a backup plan. I will now be wiring a behind-the-tv option for the amp, in case the ARC extender fails.

Two out of the first 5 were intermittent.  Sonos blamed it on Samsung firmware/protocols. I’ve replaced one extender with an AV ProEdge extender that may have fixed the intermittent problem. Time will tell.
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Post 12 made on Thursday October 20, 2022 at 07:42
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On October 20, 2022 at 00:25, tomciara said...
Have a backup plan. I will now be wiring a behind-the-tv option for the amp, in case the ARC extender fails.

Two out of the first 5 were intermittent.  Sonos blamed it on Samsung firmware/protocols. I’ve replaced one extender with an AV ProEdge extender that may have fixed the intermittent problem. Time will tell.

I have a system with a Sunbrite TV and a Binary HDMI extender that supports ARC going for over 3 years now, feeding back to a Sonos Amp.  Working great so far, knocks on wood..
Post 13 made on Thursday October 20, 2022 at 08:54
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Xantech XT-CAT-ARC-KIT, has a built in DAC on the receiving end. Not cheap, but they work flawlessly.
Post 14 made on Thursday October 20, 2022 at 08:57
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At 40-50ft and being used just for ARC a good passive HDMI will work for 4K. Just finished something like this yesterday. If you need 8K then use other options.

Electrician called us for setting up Eero and Sonos. Electrician did all the wiring and cabling. We made suggestions before the project on what cables the electrician should use but he can't get those brands. Electrician ran seven 50ft Ruipro 8k active optical HDMI cables he bought on Amazon because they are cheaper. Only 3 worked with ARC all going into Sonos amps but some needed to be used for inputs as well.

Put our tester on them and only 1 passed 4k @ 18gbs, 1 other @14gbs, 4 others @1080P and one not at all. None even could do 8K even though that's what they advertised. Since they were in the wall, we tried them anyway. 3 cables worked but 3 of the power injectors that came with didn't. They don't come with a power supply, so they were all plugged into USB port of the One Connect box. When didn't work, tried different power supplies on them with no luck, definitely the power injectors. After spending 2 days T&M for the electrician he agreed to change out the cables but still didn't want to buy ours (Ethereal or Bullet Train we offered) and ran 50ft passive cables from Vanco and Avarro. Luckily, he did heed my advice previously and ran conduit.

They all now worked with ARC with the Sonos Amps. Tested the Avarro 50ft models and they did 4K @ 14gbs but surprisingly the Vanco 50ft passed 4K @ 18gbs. So, the TVs with multiple runs used the Avarro for ARC with no problems and the ones going to other inputs used the Vanco. Finally, our 3rd day all the HDMIs are working with the Sonos Amps, the Ruipros only had one working with ARC with them. They are all Frame TVs (different sizes) for reference.

If it wasn't T&M I would have not been happy having 2 guys for 3 days messing with HDMI issues, the whole project should have been 1 day. Hope this helps.
Post 15 made on Thursday October 20, 2022 at 12:23
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Yikes

What tester do you use for HDMI cables?
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