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| Topic: | Good questions (as opposed to poor questions) This thread has 20 replies. Displaying posts 1 through 15. |
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| Post 1 made on Thursday August 27, 2015 at 20:17 |
Ernie Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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Sometimes questions are asked here that don't have enough information to formulate a good answer. It seems to piss people off when I ask for more information or better information. Well, it's not just me (and I first learned about this issue thirty years ago). When I was recently looking for any background I might be able to find on another thread, [Link: remotecentral.com], I ran across this. Gee, it's not only me telling people their questions need to be better! The question: How do I block my son's phone from using my home WiFi network? Can it be done by blocking the MAC address of my son's phone? Here's one reply: so to summarize: You want to secretly change the setting on a device that does not belong to you (legal issues?), while not knowing basic network terms like "IPv4" or "router". I am guessing that your plan will not work out unless you significantly increase the quality of your question. edit: added the second part of the title
Last edited by Ernie Gilman on August 27, 2015 20:36.
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A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything. "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw |
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| Post 2 made on Thursday August 27, 2015 at 21:03 |
King of typos Loyal Member |
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I don't think it's the fact that you ask for more information. It's your asinine way of asking for more information that bothers people.
When people come onto anothe forum that I frequent. They ask for help but leave out a very important detail... What engine is in their car. I would reply to their question with. "Can you post year/make/model/engine." Not an entire pharagraph onto why providing those important details are needed. No assumptions onto what needs to be done or anything of the sorts.
People forget to provide details, especially those who aren't familiar with the trade. Which is a great deal for people on the car forum. I understand that this forum has people who are in the same field and work it as their full time job. But that does not make them super humans. Yes, providing details can be very helpful, but when forgotten. Bashing the person will only make them, and others, pissed off.
KOT
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| Post 3 made on Thursday August 27, 2015 at 21:26 |
highfigh Loyal Member |
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On August 27, 2015 at 21:03, King of typos said...
| People forget to provide details, especially those who aren't familiar with the trade. Which is a great deal for people on the car forum. I understand that this forum has people who are in the same field and work it as their full time job. But that does not make them super humans. Yes, providing details can be very helpful, but when forgotten. Bashing the person will only make them, and others, pissed off.
KOT Some people don't know what to ask OR what's important. Some answer "What kind of car do you have?" with "A blue one".
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| Post 4 made on Thursday August 27, 2015 at 22:26 |
kgossen Super Member |
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On August 27, 2015 at 21:03, King of typos said...
I don't think it's the fact that you ask for more information. It's your asinine way of asking for more information that bothers people. +1
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"Quality isn't expensive, it's Priceless!" |
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| Post 5 made on Thursday August 27, 2015 at 22:29 |
On August 27, 2015 at 22:26, kgossen said...
+1 Right. Your just not playnespokken
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how in the hell does ernie make money? |
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| Post 6 made on Thursday August 27, 2015 at 23:07 |
Bonavox Select Member |
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I read the title and thought something different.
Good question: "Sir, do you own any firearms?"
Poor question: "So dude, is it okay to keep your daughter out till 3am?"
You know, practical stuff.....
Questions Brendon should be asking ;)
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| Post 7 made on Thursday August 27, 2015 at 23:53 |
goldenzrule Loyal Member |
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My favorite is when Ernie leaves out details when he asks questions, and people call him out on it. He appears to get pissed and annoyed and makes excuses on why he couldn't provide the info. What's good for the goose....
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| Post 8 made on Friday August 28, 2015 at 05:49 |
thecapnredfish Senior Member |
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Ernie. Unless I am missing something please verify your links. The link you posted does not contain the question and reply you quoted. I wanted to know how to block a family members phone from using my network and was mislead by your post. Unaxeceptibell.
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| OP | Post 9 made on Friday August 28, 2015 at 10:16 |
Ernie Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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On August 27, 2015 at 21:03, King of typos said...
I don't think it's the fact that you ask for more information. It's your asinine way of asking for more information that bothers people. The focus is on getting the information to be able to provide the free help that's requested. I guess it's a bit sheldoncooperish (Lord know he's full of flaws, too, though a genius, which I'm not) for me to expect people to learn or retain that focus. People forget to provide details, especially those who aren't familiar with the trade. And those are exactly the people who would profit most from the explanation as to why to provide the information. Pros should already know to do so and shouldn't even need a reminder. I suspect that pros get ticked off at being told that they have to do a bit more work crafting the question, when they already know better. I understand that this forum has people who are in the same field and work it as their full time job. But that does not make them super humans. I don't think I'm asking for superhuman behavior from pros who make a living at this stuff. Look at threads: when information is added, solutions are forthcoming. Yes, providing details can be very helpful, but when forgotten. Bashing the person will only make them, and others, pissed off. "Can be very helpful"? That implies that without the details, it's possible to answer the question, but it will be easier with details. What is there about the following question and answer makes it possible to answer, where details would only make it easier? What kind of car do you have? A blue one. Details make it possible to answer that. You imply, too, that I'm constantly writing the equivalent of Weekend Update's famous "Jane, you ignorant slut." I don't think so.
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A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything. "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw |
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| Post 10 made on Friday August 28, 2015 at 10:25 |
tomciara Loyal Member |
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A wise man listens to his critics.
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| OP | Post 11 made on Friday August 28, 2015 at 10:27 |
Ernie Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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Tom, you ignorant slut.
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A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything. "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw |
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| Post 12 made on Friday August 28, 2015 at 10:46 |
King of typos Loyal Member |
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On August 28, 2015 at 10:16, Ernie Gilman said...
The focus is on getting the information to be able to provide the free help that's requested. I guess it's a bit sheldoncooperish (Lord know he's full of flaws, too, though a genius, which I'm not) for me to expect people to learn or retain that focus.
And those are exactly the people who would profit most from the explanation as to why to provide the information. Pros should already know to do so and shouldn't even need a reminder. I suspect that pros get ticked off at being told that they have to do a bit more work crafting the question, when they already know better.
I don't think I'm asking for superhuman behavior from pros who make a living at this stuff. Look at threads: when information is added, solutions are forthcoming.
"Can be very helpful"? That implies that without the details, it's possible to answer the question, but it will be easier with details. What is there about the following question and answer makes it possible to answer, where details would only make it easier? Details make it possible to answer that.
You imply, too, that I'm constantly writing the equivalent of Weekend Update's famous "Jane, you ignorant slut." I don't think so. On August 27, 2015 at 23:53, goldenzrule said...
My favorite is when Ernie leaves out details when he asks questions, and people call him out on it. He appears to get pissed and annoyed and makes excuses on why he couldn't provide the info. What's good for the goose.... I wonder why EG didn't respond to your posting goldenzrule? Perhaps because you're right? I have seen some of those threads where he asked a question, yet left the important stuff out. Then when he's called out, all hell breaks loose. KOT
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| OP | Post 13 made on Friday August 28, 2015 at 10:57 |
Ernie Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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Thinking about it, I guess in those cases I'm doing what others here do: I'm assuming that the question I'm asking has all the details necessary to supply an answer to my issue. And notice how it bothers you enough to notice it now and remember it!
I have the impression -- I haven't been keeping score -- really, I haven't -- that when you are bothered that I have not provided enough information, I usually have not provided enough information to answer a question that's different from what I'm asking about, a question that you want to answer even though it's not the topic. (For instance, this part of the thread right here.)
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, for sure. But remember that what's good for the goose is good for the goose, too! Don't go off on me and complain about me doing the same thing while acting as if others don't do the same thing. As I said in the first post, it ain't just me. Somehow this thread is now just about me, though.
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A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything. "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw |
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| Post 14 made on Friday August 28, 2015 at 11:12 |
highfigh Loyal Member |
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Maybe it would be best to avoid being too specific when it's not needed. Asking for ways to block use of a WiFi network can be answered in more general terms- it doesn't need to be taken to the molecular level. OTOH, if someone asks about a particular model of router, THAT's the time to be more specific.
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| Post 15 made on Friday August 28, 2015 at 13:25 |
On August 28, 2015 at 11:12, highfigh said...
Maybe it would be best to avoid being too specific when it's not needed. Asking for ways to block use of a WiFi network can be answered in more general terms- it doesn't need to be taken to the molecular level. OTOH, if someone asks about a particular model of router, THAT's the time to be more specific. +1 The question was : How do I block my son's phone from using my home WiFi network? Can it be done by blocking the MAC address of my son's phone? It is a VERY SIMPLE question, that calls for a VERY SIMPLE answer - " YES - it can be done by blocking the MAC address ", why make a mountain out of the molehill ? Yet, a person who is attempting to answer it talks about "ipv4" ???? and what's even funnier some legal/moral issues ... ,
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