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Slightly OT: Title 24 Crazy Outlet Requirement
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Post 1 made on Thursday July 2, 2015 at 15:33
Ernie Gilman
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My sons are discussing this online. Have you ever heard of this, or have you ever had to deal with anyone with an office like this?

From [Link: lutron.com], here's Item 10 on Page 6:

10) Automatic Receptacle Control
[Section 130.5(d)]
Controlled receptacles that automatically shut-off are required in private offices, open offices, lobbies, copy rooms, kitchenettes, and conference rooms
• At least one controlled receptacle must be within 6 feet of an uncontrolled receptacle; this can be accomplished by switching one of the two outlets in each receptacle
• Controlled receptacles need to be marked to differentiate them from uncontrolled receptacles
Note: Plug-in strips and other plug-in devices that incorporate an occupancy sensor can’t be used to comply with this requirement.

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From their discussion:
"But yes, decisions would have to be made by users as to where to plug in
what device.

"Alternatively, you simply install a Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing
Tube Man in every space to ensure that the occupancy sensor stays triggered."
(My son, related sense of humor)

The list of things that must be shut off when nobody is sensed includes:
OK by me: Computer monitors, computer speakers, plug-in space heaters (these were always iffy), fans, task lights, Displays, refrigerator and freezer case lighting, audio amplifiers (iffy if connected to the internet);

Not so ok: air purifiers (because pollen, mold, and dust wait for you to arrive before they invade), radios (your XM buffer is empty and it did not receive that update), coffee makers (with clocks), projectors, audio amplifiers, Water dispensers (with Hot and Cold)
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 2 made on Thursday July 2, 2015 at 15:38
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that was your 24,000th post.
Post 3 made on Thursday July 2, 2015 at 16:04
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that is a lot of posts...
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Post 4 made on Thursday July 2, 2015 at 16:04
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i haven't even posted 2400
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Post 5 made on Thursday July 2, 2015 at 17:33
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On July 2, 2015 at 16:04, radiorhea said...
i haven't even posted 2400

But your 2300 posts have 10 times more substance than his 24000.
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Post 6 made on Thursday July 2, 2015 at 18:25
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On July 2, 2015 at 17:33, kgossen said...
But your 2300 posts have 10 times more substance than his 24000.

Where's that damn Like button?

KOT
Post 7 made on Thursday July 2, 2015 at 18:39
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Post 8 made on Thursday July 2, 2015 at 19:09
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Another big problem with these controlled receptacles is office workers plugging their PCs into the controlled portion. We're selling a lot of them on Title 24 TI projects.

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Post 9 made on Thursday July 2, 2015 at 21:22
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"refrigerator and freezer case lighting" aren't these controlled already?
Post 10 made on Thursday July 2, 2015 at 23:04
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On July 2, 2015 at 19:09, RandyWalters said...
Another big problem with these controlled receptacles is office workers plugging their PCs into the controlled portion. We're selling a lot of them on Title 24 TI projects.

[Link: leviton.com]§ion=65370&minisite=10251

Then we're being force to making the grounding plug, prong, whatever you want to call it. In the up most position. It's not specified in the NEC as to the orientation of the receptacle at all, with out this label. However, with that imprinted label, I bet there will be.

So does this mean that we can no longer install receptacles on the floor or along the wall in landscape? It HAS to be on the wall in the portrait position now and with the grounding plug in the up most position?

Click here and then images... Then scroll down to the bottom. Rather interesting pictures huh? [Link: google.com]

KOT
Post 11 made on Friday July 3, 2015 at 09:40
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OP | Post 12 made on Friday July 3, 2015 at 13:21
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On July 2, 2015 at 23:04, King of typos said...
Click here and then images... Then scroll down to the bottom. Rather interesting pictures huh? [Link: google.com]

KOT

I get it. Sockets. Right.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 13 made on Friday July 3, 2015 at 17:53
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It has become quit interesting using the restrooms in these modern and updated buildings in Downtown LA, when you are in the stall in sit-down mode and the freekin lights shut off and there is no windows. ALWAYS bring your phone with flashlight app installed.
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On July 2, 2015 at 23:04, King of typos said...
Then we're being force to making the grounding plug, prong, whatever you want to call it. In the up most position. It's not specified in the NEC as to the orientation of the receptacle at all, with out this label. However, with that imprinted label, I bet there will be.

So does this mean that we can no longer install receptacles on the floor or along the wall in landscape? It HAS to be on the wall in the portrait position now and with the grounding plug in the up most position?

Click here and then images... Then scroll down to the bottom. Rather interesting pictures huh? [Link: google.com]

KOT

IIRC, that's common in commercial/industrial- Apparently, it reduces the chance of a direct short if something made from metal should fall on the plug.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 15 made on Saturday July 4, 2015 at 10:03
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On July 3, 2015 at 18:28, highfigh said...
IIRC, that's common in commercial/industrial- Apparently, it reduces the chance of a direct short if something made from metal should fall on the plug.

That is correct. As most commercial applications, the cover plate was made of metal. So after several hundred actuations of a plug going in and out. The screw for the cover plate would loosen and the plate would fall. If the grounding plug was on the bottom half, there was the chance of the metal plate shorting the ungrounded and grounded plugs together.

So someone thought about putting the grounding plug on the top part. Because we all know that business people are stupid with it comes to using a plug in an outlet. "Oh, the this metal thingy isn't attached any more. But I still need to plug my computer in." ZAP!!!

I am actually shocked, pun intended, that it's not in the NEC to have the grounding prong in the upper position. But like I said in my other posting, this new labeling appear to make us do just that. As so it can be read from an upright position.

KOT
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