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What HDCP 2.2 Means for an Integrator
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Post 31 made on Wednesday December 17, 2014 at 11:58
Mogul
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So Samsung says, "UHD 4K Standard Future Proof" on its spec sheet for the HU8550 UHD panels. What specifically does this mean...?

Last edited by Mogul on December 17, 2014 14:35.
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Post 32 made on Wednesday December 17, 2014 at 13:45
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On December 17, 2014 at 11:58, Mogul said...
So Samsung says, "UHD 4K Standard Future Proof" on it's spec sheet for the HU8550 UHD panels. What specifically does this mean...?

You get 1 HDCP 2.2-capable input; maybe more with an outboard box.

Page two of the spec sheet:

"UHD 4K Standard Future Proof
Stay current as UHD 4K standards continue to advance. Not only does
the One Connect Box* update your TV with the newest software and
features, it also makes your TV ready for any and all possible 4K formats.
With the One Connect Box, the evolution of UHD 4K will never leave
you behind.
*One Connect Box sold separately"

Page 9 of the manual:
"HDCP 2.2 is supported only by the TV's HDMI (MHL) port"
Post 33 made on Wednesday December 17, 2014 at 14:37
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Thanks for the detail, PeterN.

So at least there appears to be one HDCP 2.2 capable input on the display natively...With the opportunity to pony up more $ if that doesn't do...
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Post 34 made on Thursday December 18, 2014 at 01:41
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Future proof - until the future arrives and support goes away.

Just don't promise something to your customer that will not necessarily be true. Mitsubishi rear projection TVs were future proof. .NOT.

A client of mine bought a $4500 future proof Integra receiver that was card based. If technology changed, the new card could be put in to accommodate it. Until the manufacturer stopped supporting that model.
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Post 35 made on Thursday December 18, 2014 at 18:13
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My question(s) about this follow...

Let's say you have a nice newish tv with one HDCP 2.2 input. Cool, run your 4k BD to that (when they materialize), optical out of the TV back to the receiver, under TV Audio (in the case of Marantz for example). Or would HDMI control shoot audio back to the receiver? What is the best way?

Next, how will this affect Atmos receivers. Would there have to be a 4K BD player with dual outputs, as mentioned earlier? Or, will an optical or digital coax transfer the Atmos signal to the receiver safely?

I ask because I have a client that may like the new Marantz 7702.... but I don't want to sell him something pretty expensive that will barely work in years coming...
"There's a big difference between winging it and seeing what happens. Now let's see what happens." ~MacGruber
Post 36 made on Thursday December 18, 2014 at 19:08
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I doubt it's going to prevent optical audio output, since it's always compressed audio and the studios are mostly paranoid about uncompressed audio.

BUT: the vast majority of TVs will not pass any audio greater than standard Dolby Digital 5.1 via optical or ARC. Second, Atmos is embedded in Dolby TrueHD, which means the only way you're going to get Atmos, or TrueHD, or DTS HD Master, or even plain DTS, is with a direct HDMI connection between the BD and the receiver.

Most people are speculating that the first generations of 4k BD players will have dual HDMI outputs; one with HDCP 2.2 for the 4K video, and another simply to pass HD audio to a receiver, since you can already do that now without HDCP 2.2.

There's going to be a HUGE established base of existing receivers that support everything needed but HDCP 2.2, so it'll be a situation like the first 5.1 audio being done via analog RCA jacks, or the first uncompressed audio over HDMI being decoded player-side and passed via LPCM instead of bitstreamed direct.
Post 37 made on Thursday December 18, 2014 at 21:12
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I heard North Korea doesn't like HDCP 2.2, so we may be in luck!
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Post 38 made on Friday December 19, 2014 at 17:29
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On December 18, 2014 at 21:12, vwpower44 said...
I heard North Korea doesn't like HDCP 2.2, so we may be in luck!

hahahahahahaha
Post 39 made on Friday December 19, 2014 at 18:04
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On December 18, 2014 at 19:08, Daniel Tonks said...
I doubt it's going to prevent optical audio output, since it's always compressed audio and the studios are mostly paranoid about uncompressed audio.

BUT: the vast majority of TVs will not pass any audio greater than standard Dolby Digital 5.1 via optical or ARC. Second, Atmos is embedded in Dolby TrueHD, which means the only way you're going to get Atmos, or TrueHD, or DTS HD Master, or even plain DTS, is with a direct HDMI connection between the BD and the receiver.

Most people are speculating that the first generations of 4k BD players will have dual HDMI outputs; one with HDCP 2.2 for the 4K video, and another simply to pass HD audio to a receiver, since you can already do that now without HDCP 2.2.

There's going to be a HUGE established base of existing receivers that support everything needed but HDCP 2.2, so it'll be a situation like the first 5.1 audio being done via analog RCA jacks, or the first uncompressed audio over HDMI being decoded player-side and passed via LPCM instead of bitstreamed direct.

Thanks Daniel!!
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