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Theil speakers- anyone selling them?
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| Topic: | Theil speakers- anyone selling them? This thread has 24 replies. Displaying posts 1 through 15. |
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| Post 1 made on Saturday October 4, 2014 at 10:14 |
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I have a long-term client who bought some Theil speakers from a friend. He's asking about their in-ceiling models and only on place in WI sells them. I'd like input from someone here before I drive to Madison. Opinions? Experiences?
Not sure I like the fact that Crutchfield sells them for not much more than half of list price, though. Any idea who they use for distribution?
Alternatives? I know it can be best to use the same brand if they voice all of ther speakers similarly, but as a rear in-ceiling speaker, I doubt the difference would be Earth-shattering if I were to use something like Bohlender-Graebener, Triad or something else of high quality.
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| Post 2 made on Saturday October 4, 2014 at 10:35 |
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I am pretty sure they are direct only. The brand does have a distinct sound that might Benifit from keeping them together. I haven't looked at the brand since the owner past away. Can you call the shop and get them for your client?
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| OP | Post 3 made on Saturday October 4, 2014 at 21:25 |
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On October 4, 2014 at 10:35, longshot16 said...
I am pretty sure they are direct only. The brand does have a distinct sound that might Benifit from keeping them together. I haven't looked at the brand since the owner past away. Can you call the shop and get them for your client? Waiting for a reply. If Crutchfield sells them so cheaply, I don't know why anyone would want to sell them unless all of their customers are without the internet. I heard the ones he bought briefly and they do sound different, in a good way. It'll be interesting to hear them with the Krell amp powering them.
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| Post 4 made on Sunday October 5, 2014 at 00:03 |
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I'd hold off on Thiel, unless the client has a strong emotional tie. Thiel was bought out recently, and moved HQs to the Nashville suburbs. Don't know if you can still get speakers made to original specs.
If the client really wants the name, I'd say call Thiel, and order direct.
If they want quality, talk to Thiel. If Thiel can't deliver, look elsewhere.
I have a feeling they'll keep their old designs, but sell to the masses. Whether you're happy with that or not is up to you.
Most speaker lines will be fine for surround backs, IMO. Sell him quality speakers.from another manufacturer if Thiel can't deliver original speaker designs.
The main reason I noticed this is because Thiel moved to a location 4 miles from my house.
Edit - you can google for the recent press releases, from the last couple months.
Honestly, any surround backs will be fine, IMO.
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| Post 5 made on Sunday October 5, 2014 at 00:04 |
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The sept issue of cePro had an article on their move to Nashville and the new ownership. I just noticed the headline as I flipped through. It might offer some contact info
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| OP | Post 6 made on Sunday October 5, 2014 at 06:20 |
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What are you guys using for in-ceiling back-boxes? Can't retro anything square or rectangular because the ceiling is in and plastered but round ones may be an option. Or, if you're using speakers with an enclosure, what are you using? Ceiling isn't bright white, so they may need to be painted, but that's a small detail.
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| Post 7 made on Monday October 6, 2014 at 11:09 |
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On October 5, 2014 at 06:20, highfigh said...
What are you guys using for in-ceiling back-boxes? Can't retro anything square or rectangular because the ceiling is in and plastered but round ones may be an option. Or, if you're using speakers with an enclosure, what are you using? Ceiling isn't bright white, so they may need to be painted, but that's a small detail. we have used these [Link: dynamat.com] in the past with great success. Not cheap but you can get them into a ceiling space through the speaker cutout so it definitely saves on labour.
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| Post 8 made on Monday October 6, 2014 at 12:29 |
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You may be able to 'frame in' a back box, using the joists, through the round ceiling drywall cut-out. Too much trouble, for any effect, IMO. The sound quality of distributed audio isn't great to begin with; the effect of back boxes will not be noticeable, unless the room is treated. I don't think those Dynamats offer much, for sound quality. Decreased transmission of high-end sounds to the floor above, but don't do anything for bass. If no floor above, I'd just stuff the cavity with pink R-19. If they're in-ceiling L-C-R speakers, I'd go with something more directional. In my house, though, when renovating a room, I install back boxes made of plywood or framed-in joist cavities, for DA/WHA. Doesn't hurt, and easy, if painting will be done.
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| Post 9 made on Monday October 6, 2014 at 23:19 |
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On October 4, 2014 at 10:14, highfigh said...
I have a long-term client who bought some Theil speakers from a friend. He's asking about their in-ceiling models and only on place in WI sells them. I'd like input from someone here before I drive to Madison. Opinions? Experiences?
Not sure I like the fact that Crutchfield sells them for not much more than half of list price, though. Any idea who they use for distribution?
Alternatives? I know it can be best to use the same brand if they voice all of ther speakers similarly, but as a rear in-ceiling speaker, I doubt the difference would be Earth-shattering if I were to use something like Bohlender-Graebener, Triad or something else of high quality.
Thanks. We've had them over a year on display. I've never heard them or seen a pair sold. They seem like they are trying to look high end with their design motif, but didn't quite make it.
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| OP | Post 10 made on Tuesday October 7, 2014 at 08:41 |
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On October 6, 2014 at 23:19, SysIntegration said...
We've had them over a year on display. I've never heard them or seen a pair sold. They seem like they are trying to look high end with their design motif, but didn't quite make it. You haven't heard a pair? Are they floor-standing, or in-ceiling? How can you go a whole year without at least being a little curious about the products your company sells?
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| Post 11 made on Monday October 13, 2014 at 00:55 |
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On October 7, 2014 at 08:41, highfigh said...
You haven't heard a pair? Are they floor-standing, or in-ceiling?
How can you go a whole year without at least being a little curious about the products your company sells? They are floor standing. [Link: thielaudio.com]Am I curious? Yes. However, they have the finish of a 1970s speaker with that awful woodgrain. Question: How busy are you? I work for a small company. I have to 1. do CI inventory 2. manage the store's intranet and AD Server 3. pull product for my jobs 4. complete the installs 5. manage tech support 6. documentation (so many lists) 7. manage the showrooms displays and control system 8. find. document. rs232 and IR codes for said systems I'm balancing about a dozen hats, and we carry probably 20+ different brands of home theater speakers, 10+ brands of receivers, and at least that many video display brands. Again, this is not a big box store. That's just the brands I can think of from displays I've had to put together myself. It's not that I have no interest. I would love to sit down and listen to the speakers. However, they are connected to the same system as my big martin Logan's. And quite honestly, as a customer, do you want to hear the 1970s speaker or the speaker you can see through. Do you want to hear the speaker you can't pronounce or the one you can. It's simple marketing, and they failed at it. My interest isn't peaked, I've not had a single person in a year ask about them, and I haven't found the time to sit down and listen to them. Maybe you have more time and hands at your place?
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| Post 12 made on Monday October 13, 2014 at 08:28 |
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On October 13, 2014 at 00:55, SysIntegration said...
They are floor standing. [Link: thielaudio.com]Am I curious? Yes. However, they have the finish of a 1970s speaker with that awful woodgrain. Question: How busy are you? I work for a small company. I have to 1. do CI inventory 2. manage the store's intranet and AD Server 3. pull product for my jobs 4. complete the installs 5. manage tech support 6. documentation (so many lists) 7. manage the showrooms displays and control system 8. find. document. rs232 and IR codes for said systems all while being paid what I was making starting pay at best buy as a home theater install back in 2004. Compensation aside, I'm balancing about a dozen hats, and we carry probably 20+ different brands of home theater speakers, 10+ brands of receivers, and at least that many video display brands. Again, this is not a big box store. That's just the brands I can think of from displays I've had to put together myself. It's not that I have no interest. I would love to sit down and listen to the speakers. However, they are connected to the same system as my big martin Logan's. And quite honestly, as a customer, do you want to hear the 1970s speaker or the speaker you can see through. Do you want to hear the speaker you can't pronounce or the one you can. It's simple marketing, and they failed at it. My interest isn't peaked, I've not had a single person in a year ask about them, and I haven't found the time to sit down and listen to them. Maybe you have more time and hands at your place? yall are selling WAY to many brands!!! why would any shop need 20 brands of speakers and 10 brands of receivers!? knock a few of those off and you may have some time to listen to speakers you are selling! ;)
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| OP | Post 13 made on Monday October 13, 2014 at 09:08 |
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On October 13, 2014 at 00:55, SysIntegration said...
They are floor standing. [Link: thielaudio.com]Am I curious? Yes. However, they have the finish of a 1970s speaker with that awful woodgrain. Question: How busy are you? I work for a small company. I have to 1. do CI inventory 2. manage the store's intranet and AD Server 3. pull product for my jobs 4. complete the installs 5. manage tech support 6. documentation (so many lists) 7. manage the showrooms displays and control system 8. find. document. rs232 and IR codes for said systems all while being paid what I was making starting pay at best buy as a home theater install back in 2004. Compensation aside, I'm balancing about a dozen hats, and we carry probably 20+ different brands of home theater speakers, 10+ brands of receivers, and at least that many video display brands. Again, this is not a big box store. That's just the brands I can think of from displays I've had to put together myself. It's not that I have no interest. I would love to sit down and listen to the speakers. However, they are connected to the same system as my big martin Logan's. And quite honestly, as a customer, do you want to hear the 1970s speaker or the speaker you can see through. Do you want to hear the speaker you can't pronounce or the one you can. It's simple marketing, and they failed at it. My interest isn't peaked, I've not had a single person in a year ask about them, and I haven't found the time to sit down and listen to them. Maybe you have more time and hands at your place? I'm my whole company. Curiosity is what can make a business succeed- if my friend at the stereo store hadn't stuck his head in the Jamo booth in 1979, we would never have been their 2nd dealer in the US, we would never have sold the crap out of their speakers AND made a ton of money. Seeing through a speaker never made any difference to me, as a customer OR dealer. Are you selling cosmetics to your customers over sound quality? Really? If you don't like the wood grain, why didn't someone choose a different veneer (or, was this one only available in one type?)? In my original post, I was asking if anyone had experience with Thiel speakers because I have only heard the one pair, for a few minutes. I didn't ask for excuses about why you don't bother to listen to the products you sell but if you're making what you did ten years ago, it might be time to have a sit-down with the owner(s) about your compensation. If you stock items by all of the manufacturers, you're either tying up too much in inventory dollars or, if you floor plan, you're paying too much interest. If you move all of these brands and models, congratulations!
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| Post 14 made on Monday October 13, 2014 at 09:50 |
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are you know.. If he expects ANY in-ceiling to sound like an tower - he will be dissapointed. find a good IC with an integrated back box and put them in. Thiel is focused on 2 channel and unless he listens to a lot of SACD, perfect matched speakers are largely unimportant. Room acoustics and environment also factor in. Bottom line - I think you're overthinking the solution.
as far as the "too many choices" comments - I agree, take that as a piece of GOOD advice (I did a few years back). You will eventually have time to "listen" to the music..
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| OP | Post 15 made on Monday October 13, 2014 at 11:34 |
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On October 13, 2014 at 09:50, FunHouse Texas said...
are you know.. If he expects ANY in-ceiling to sound like an tower - he will be dissapointed. find a good IC with an integrated back box and put them in. Thiel is focused on 2 channel and unless he listens to a lot of SACD, perfect matched speakers are largely unimportant. Room acoustics and environment also factor in. Bottom line - I think you're overthinking the solution.
as far as the "too many choices" comments - I agree, take that as a piece of GOOD advice (I did a few years back). You will eventually have time to "listen" to the music.. I'm not over-thinking anything the customer wants to try them and has 60 days to return them, which is good because the in-ceiling speakers are freaking expensive, even at the price Crutchfield sells them. I was looking at the Lowell back-boxes, too. If he doesn't like them, I'll probably recommend something else that's good and explain why the rears aren't likely to sound great. If they sound better than I expect, it might be a nice surprise, but that's about it. I have heard some that were decent though. Still, it wouldn't be like a great set of floor-standing or other speakers in the correct box.
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