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Post 31 made on Sunday September 22, 2013 at 23:39
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On September 22, 2013 at 23:26, cma said...
Touch the antenna (essentially grounding it) to the metal case of any piece of equipment in the rack and the interference will disappear.

Isn't antenna element encased in plastic?
Post 32 made on Monday September 23, 2013 at 03:48
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On September 22, 2013 at 23:26, cma said...
Touch the antenna (essentially grounding it) to the metal case of any piece of equipment in the rack and the interference will disappear.

That is, make the antenna totally ineffective by shorting it to ground and all the other places where poor design allows RF to leak into the 260 will let in enough signal.

Someone else suggests moving the 260 as far as possible from the equipment.  Since the 260 has both the antenna and the IR outputs, this means the placement of the antenna is determined by the length of the IR emitter wires.  That is too dumb to live.

On September 21, 2013 at 20:22, OneRemote said...
A ferrite core actually does work as a magnet in this situation.

Reacting to a magnetic field is not the definition of a magnet; having a residual magnetic field is the definition of a magnet. A magnet would impress a constant magnetic field on this entire situation; a ferrite core does not do that here and cannot do it anywhere.

A ferrite core has magnetic properties involving energy at some frequency of alternation; the frequency of a magnet is zero Hz.

It works as a magnet in this situation any more or less than a piece of aluminum -- definitely NOT a magnet! -- would.  My slight addition to your text below explains a bit why.

The ferrite core is surrounding the antenna (which is serving as a conductor), and the high permeability of the ferrite provides a path of lower resistance for the magnetic flux of the signal in the antenna as compared to if it was surrounded by air only.

You missed a detail; add a phrase: The high permeability of the ferrite provides a path of lower resistance for the voltages induced in the ferrite by the magnetic flux of the signal in the antenna as compared to if it was surrounded by air only.

Because of this, the antenna's inductance is significantly increased due to the relative permeability of the ferrite. The permeability is the characteristic of a metal that quantitatively assesses its ability to support a magnetic field (and therefore become a magnet).

I agree that it can become a magnet.  That does not make it a magnet.

Ferrite cores, made of different compounds (manganese, iron, nickel zinc, etc), have very high relative permeability and this quality allows them to serve as magnets on the antenna, allowing the antenna to become more sensitive, in a sense, to the RF signal being transmitted.

I don't think so. First, the problem with the 260 is too much RF, not too little, so if this works, it's because it lessens the effectiveness of the antenna.

Second, my added phrase illuminates the fact that some energy in or around the antenna is shorted out; that means that not all the RF energy exits the antenna, thus it behaves as if it is less sensitive.
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Post 33 made on Monday September 23, 2013 at 18:31
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Use a MRF-350. Place the Antenna in an attic above the room desired to control. problem goes away.
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Post 34 made on Monday September 23, 2013 at 19:36
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On September 23, 2013 at 18:31, NEZBO said...
Use a MRF-350. Place the Antenna in an attic above the room desired to control. problem goes away.

I always found down load to have less interference. We go in the basement or crawl when possible.
Post 35 made on Monday September 23, 2013 at 19:50
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The last two replies make sense... move the antenna away from the equipment, for less interference from equipment. Move the antenna away from the sky for less interference from adjacent homes, airplanes, unmanned drones, TV stations, etc.
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Post 36 made on Monday September 23, 2013 at 20:47
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"Move the antenna away from the sky for less interference from adjacent homes, airplanes, unmanned drones, TV stations, etc. "

It's got pretty good range, so neighbor's could be an issue with similar RF ID's. Basement or crawls as previously mentioned. Up to 3 RFX-250's they say.

The consumer goods (RF20/RFS200) don't have RF ID, so they are WIDE OPEN 418Mhz).
Post 37 made on Tuesday September 24, 2013 at 12:04
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On September 23, 2013 at 19:36, goldenzrule said...
I always found down load to have less interference. We go in the basement or crawl when possible.

I wish we had basements or crawl spaces here. We don't. I like to put the antenna mounted on the joist where the rear speaker in a surround sound might me. So if it is a 2 story, I can take the speaker down to service the antenna if needed. Never had to do it though. This puts the antenna directly above the main room and we find that the interference goes away. if you mount the antenna too high in an attic or too close to a gable with an attic vent, you will see interference. Mounted on the joist in the speaker cavity seems to make our headaches of interference go away.
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Post 38 made on Tuesday September 24, 2013 at 12:49
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418 MHz, that's garage door opener freq. and a ton of stuff.
Post 39 made on Tuesday September 24, 2013 at 13:01
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Ever wonder why the cable companies want you to cap off unused cable outlets in the house? The frequency of these remotes, 418 mHz, is in the range of frequencies that make up cable channel 56. I remember one guy about eight years ago whose Sony AV receiver volume would not work when his TV was on Cable 56.... It's better to put the RF devices lower rather than higher as there's less likelihood of signal being down low.
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Post 40 made on Tuesday August 25, 2015 at 20:10
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My apologies in reviving an old topic, but this thread saved my a** today.

MRF-260 showing RF interference, sometimes not. 890 button presses not even showing status blinks intermittently. No sweet spot within length of emitter cables.

A ferrite core placed on the MRF antenna and all problems disappeared.

This is a one room theater. Thanks!!!
Post 41 made on Tuesday August 25, 2015 at 20:24
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On August 25, 2015 at 20:10, bbevans said...
My apologies in reviving an old topic, but this thread saved my a** today.

MRF-260 showing RF interference, sometimes not. 890 button presses not even showing status blinks intermittently. No sweet spot within length of emitter cables.

A ferrite core placed on the MRF antenna and all problems disappeared.

This is a one room theater. Thanks!!!

If I have interference, I usually remove the antenna. Never tried an FC, but maybe I will next time
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Post 42 made on Tuesday August 25, 2015 at 20:35
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On September 20, 2013 at 13:09, pesci said...
what can interfere w rf and ir in a closet w no windows??

Does the LED on the 260 flash or stay on all of the time? What channel are you using?
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Post 43 made on Tuesday August 25, 2015 at 20:48
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On August 25, 2015 at 20:24, FP Crazy said...
If I have interference, I usually remove the antenna. Never tried an FC, but maybe I will next time

Dang if I could get the antenna to come off!
Post 44 made on Tuesday August 25, 2015 at 21:01
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On August 25, 2015 at 20:48, bbevans said...
Dang if I could get the antenna to come off!

It's one screw. That's all. Takes 5 seconds.
Post 45 made on Tuesday August 25, 2015 at 21:06
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The IR emitters can carry the interference back to the MRF260 no matter where it is located. I changed a setup to replace a bad Panasonic BD player with a new sony BDP3500 and the MRF260 started having issues controlling the DVD and Dish box.
This will get a MRF350 when I get back there.
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