I have a client with 24 Samsung TV's in a club.

He wants to go HDMI (digital) on all displays.

Sources are:
1 Mac
2 Sony Blu-ray
3 Comcast Cable Box
4 Stage Jack (mac book pro)

From what I can find so far, a matrix that would accommodate this many outputs, is going to cost well over 15k.

So as an option, if he is okay with all TV's showing the same picture, I was thinking of this system.

1) Key Digital KD-HDSW4x1 Selector Switch.
3) Key Digital KD-HDDA1x8 HDMI Splitter (cascade).


Maybe Zee Vee. The only thing that worries me about that is the Stage jack. The VGA input could be anyone's guess on whose laptop would be plugged in. I feel it would be a sync nightmare.

Component Matrix is OUT OF THE QUESTION>


Any thoughts or ideas?

Tell him to suck it up, it's the cost of doing what he wants. I can guarantee he will not want every tv in the place on the same source. Take a look at JAP. http://www.justaddpower.com/

JAP would run roughly +17k with the switch....plus its modular so if he adds 10 more sources and 12 more displays, you just buy 10 more transmitters and 12 more receivers. Very easy to make changes and add in the future. Plus the way they do their keys you can have one cable box feed all of the displays, and not have a problems with keys like you could have with other systems.

WELL over 15,000 indeed! Since you mention Key Digital he's looking at well over 70 grand for a 5x33 with HDBaseT outputs for 24 displays. At that level with that many outputs he has to pay to play...especially since it needs to be HDMI. Don't be the guy that puts in a 4x24 matrix and then a year down the road they call you and want more inputs and outputs...give them headroom for expansion. The lowest I'd go is a 8x32 with HDBaseT...$$$

I think JAP is the answer here. Reliable, flexible, and fast switching. As for the price well theres always component.

dont sell with your wallet... sell the proper solution.

In my bar I went with a Audio Authority Component matrix and thus far couldn't be happier with the bang for the buck. It currently feeds 11 televisions from 6 directv boxes, 2 atsc tuners, 1 dvd player, 1 stage camera feed, 1 menu board feed, 1 karaoke computer feed.

After the upcoming remodel it will be feeding 16 TV's and after phase B remodel (should we get to the point where we can do it) over 24 televisions.

but, component is out of the question...

If it was a million dollar job or a budget job, I would push for JAP. It works, flexible, reliable, and scalable.

Use an HDbaseT matrix of some kind. We use Crestron. It may cost more up front, but it works. The 8G+ product even works over UTP Cat5e.

Good luck and keep up posted.

Why is component matrix out of the question?
Next important question is what control system?

If we wants to play with the big boys and wants HDMI for this size commercial job then he has to reach in his pockets and spend the $$$. It is what it is !!

Dont try and rig crap together just to give him what he wants.. If it was me, and there was no budget for a real HDMI matrix, then the only option (which works great) is component. If he didnt like, then we walk. Especially in a commercial spot.

Our way or we fire you !!!

A neopro tahoe switch w\24x24 cards will run about 11k MSP - That includes the receivers to each TV. You have some margin to play with as well. Has great control protocol as well.

There are alot of option out there w\component that will fit his budget.

What he said.

HDMI distribution = $
Component distribution = considerably less $

A guy can't walk into a Mercedes dealership and say he wants a new car, but can only spend $10K. It doesn't work that way. Same with HDMI. If he wants a fully functioning digitally distributed system, he's gonna have to part with the money to do it.

Anything else is half-assing it, and we all know where that gets you.

We only install Crestron DM, but he seemed to be looking at a price point, which is why I suggested JAP. If it were me, I would not suggest any component distribution, as you never know if next year the cable company, or DTV or Dish decide to disco component output, like Blu Ray players. Then his 1 year old matrix is useless.

This option like!

I hope this doesn't open a 3 page debate. He all ready has a Extron component matrix.
At both of his night clubs. We have spent COUNTLESS hours try to eliminate the lines in the picture. Guys, we have tried everything your about to suggest. I have had the guys at Jesen Transformers involved. Seasoned vets from our industry. And we still cant find the source of the issue.

So one day I simply split the DVI output of the Mac, ran one side into a Snap balun, then HDMI to one of his TV's. The other side to his existing black box scaler/vga convertor to his component matrix. And not only were the lines gone on the hdmi tv, but the picture was considerably better.

So this is why we are suggesting to him "go digital, or deal with the lines"!

I told him today that to do this proper, he would have to spend around 20k in materiel. And if he was interested at all, I would put together the system design and exact numbers.

I know what all you are thinking. Fix the component! Trust me, I have over 18 years in this industry, and have NEVER had an "lines in the picture" issue we couldn't fix.

I don't even have the energy to list all the things we have tried.

I just want to thank you guys for turning me on to JAP. It turns out, the cost of doing JAP vs a Matrix, is about the same! Im very excited to work with JAP. I think its the perfect solution for my client.