We've got a few of these Aventage units under our belts and since I do the programming I'm confused by all the DSP modes and many that seem to toggle thru several types every time the command is sent.

I've been setting the system to 'Straight' based on some research I've done but I'm still not 100% sure this is what I want. For instance today I had an RX-A1020 set to DTV input via HDMI and 'Straight'. If the channel being watched was stereo it would only output the left and right mains (duh) but I want the dialogue to come from the center ala fake 5.1...if I put the AVR into 'Surround Decode' I got the affect i wanted (dialogue from the center).

I only care about and need 3 DSP modes:

- An single command for auto surround mode that will take the source input and process it properly based on what's being output for all video sources (DTV, Blu-ray, AppleTV, etc).

- An all channel stereo mode for those that want that instead of two channel

- A 2 channel mode that has no processing

Any help for this sort of newb back into the Yamaha realm? We don't do a lot of AVR's and up until last Fall we were only using Denon/Marantz when we did. The 75 different DSP modes on these things need to go away. Really? Hall in Munich!?!?! Who uses that crap.

Thanks!

|Hall in Munich!?!?! Who uses that crap.

Germans, duh

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- An single command for auto surround mode that will take the source input and process it properly based on what's being output for all video sources (DTV, Blu-ray, AppleTV, etc).

Set it to "standard" not "straight"

- An all channel stereo mode for those that want that instead of two channel

Use either 9 or 7 channel stereo

- A 2 channel mode that has no processing

Use 2 channel stereo

If you want it to go into a mode like pro logic movie or music, or neo6 or something and are using a uninversal remote you need to create a macro. The first command is surround decode, then a slight delay, then the discrete surround mode you want it to access.

One of my favorite features of the Aventage receivers is the scenes. It's basically a built in macro feature on the receiver. By programming a scene you can have the receiver turn on, go to an input and then select a surround mode by hitting one button.

For example, if a customer is using a Blu-Ray player to watch movies & as a CD player you can create two different scenes. Scene 1 for movies: input AV1 and standard surround mode. And scene 2 cd's: input AV1 9 channel stereo or stereo.

There are only four scenes on the stock remote. The RXA820 & below have four scenes per zone. And the RXA1020 & above have twelve scenes for zone one and four zones 2-3. Which can only be accessed when using a universal remote.

Thanks Matt...I didn't see the "Standard" command when I was at the site yesterday and also wasn't using Scenes. The surround commands I was sending were toggles between different modes, i.e. Surround_Movie then Surround_Music, etc. That was what was frustrating.

It sounds like I can setup a Scene with the Standard command built into it; that would be nice. I forgot all about using scenes as I'm used to the macros being input-delay-dsp with Denon. I found the Standard command, 2Ch and xCh and all of the Scenes on the PAB site and will test those out too.

I need to spend some more time understanding how these scenes are created in the RX-A...just not enough time in front of one but will definitely look at that when I'm back there; thanks for reminding me of that feature.

p.s. do you know how reliable these scenes are in terms of memory retention? My only concern would be relying upon the programming in the RX-A for power on-input select-dsp select via a single command as opposed to having them individually hard coded into the control system.

They are extremely reliable no issues to date. I switched to Yamaha about two yrs ago and could be happier. There are go to receiver line for entry to mid level receivers. Extremely reliable only one defective unit so far.

I love the scenes because the shorten the macros and make the remote run faster and make the system much more reliable. The Yamaha setup takes a little while to get used to (especially the input setup if you are used to Integra) but once you do it's smooth sailing.

Not a big fan of the factory remote, but I always sell a universal so I never really use it all that often. I have a bunch of 980 templates if you want me to me to send them to you.

There is also a feature called memory guard which prevents the unit from losing its settings (ahem integra). The only way the scenes could get changed would be if the customer held in the scene button on the remote or the front panel of the receiver.

No calls so far.

This is the huge important point that Yamaha has never been able to see.

As for the hall and jazz and all that... a recording, be it music or sound track, has been created with left-right positioning, "sweetened" with reverb, and equalized to sound the way the record producer wants it to sound. Yamaha takes this, superimposes a whole other set of reverb and equalization, which is totally unnatural. Then it plays in your room, which has its own reverb and causes its own equalization. That middle step should be just positioning of signals, without adding reverb and EQ.


It sounds like you were using the commands in the remote, which are toggles. You should be using the extended commands, most of which do not toggle.

Thanks for the offer Matt, we are using an MX-980. And I actually spent some time yesterday developing the needed commands from the PAB site into a template.

Ernie, I was using an MX-980 with the IR database from URC...which I don't believe, based on the code sets I was testing, had 'Standard'. Sure would be easier if there were a) less DSP commands and b) I knew what they all meant; the latter is much clearer now.

I believe, for the new models, the "Standard" mode in URC's database was replaced with "SUR. Decode".

Some of the codes in URC's database are wrong or missing.

I believe this is correct as well. You will need to make a driver (avr device to save for the yamaha models once you find all the discretes. Name them properly and use them to program in the future.

Surround Decode sure was in the DB...and it's completely useless since it's a toggle between several DSP commands, unless you use that in conjunction with another DSP command following directly after it.

For those that are interested, here is the pronto hex I generated for the commands in question that I was originally seeking:

Standard
0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

2ChannelStereo
0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

xChannelStereo
0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

The codes were all contributed by volunteers, and sometimes there were mistakes.

I suggest you get the Yamaha Extended codes from their website, turn them into a ccf, even if you have to learn the Pronto programming software enough to do so, then import them with the URC Univeral Browser. Maybe, first, delete the bizarre room and other environment settings that are just plain stupid.