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PS3 turns ON when system turns OFF
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Post 16 made on Sunday November 18, 2012 at 15:20
lites4u
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Did you turn off HDMI control in the PS3?
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Post 17 made on Sunday November 18, 2012 at 15:23
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On November 17, 2012 at 15:56, tweeterguy said...
No particular reason other than HDMI 1 on the RX-A is ARC...I don't want other crap going on so I spec to use HDMI 2 out instead.

I've got to suggest that HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 are not identical and it might even be necessary for HDMI 1 to be connected so HDMI 2 will work right. This is HDMI where nobody wrote a spec as to how the manufacturers might make this stuff interrelate. I would NEVER use an HDMI 2 out on the ASSumption that its properties are identical to HDMI 1 except for ARC.

You've invited trouble without somehow realizing that it was lurking.
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OP | Post 18 made on Sunday November 18, 2012 at 15:25
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On November 18, 2012 at 15:20, lites4u said...
Did you turn off HDMI control in the PS3?

Yes, and the TV as well. We've ruled that out by having them disconnect the HDMI cable to test.
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OP | Post 19 made on Sunday November 18, 2012 at 15:32
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On November 18, 2012 at 15:23, Ernie Gilman said...
I've got to suggest that HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 are not identical and it might even be necessary for HDMI 1 to be connected so HDMI 2 will work right. This is HDMI where nobody wrote a spec as to how the manufacturers might make this stuff interrelate. I would NEVER use an HDMI 2 out on the ASSumption that its properties are identical to HDMI 1 except for ARC.

You've invited trouble without somehow realizing that it was lurking.

The system is working fine using HDMI output 2 on the Yamaha...PS3 power not included obviously but we've ruled out HDMI as the culprit there since the problem still remains with the PS3 disconnected from HDMI.

Believe me, I'd love to blame this on HDMI but it seems I cannot, damn!

One other reason ARC on HDMI 1 can cause problems. We had a DTV box connected via HDMI to Yamaha input 2. DTV analogue audio was also going out to a Sonos system. When we used HDMI 1 ARC output, the DTV box would not output the analogue audio to the Sonos system.

Yeah, I wish I had listened to my Dad and gone to law school...


In any case, until I hear back from AA about what the deal is with these discretes NOT being really discretes...the PS3 is setup to auto power down after 1 hour of inactivity. It can stay that way for now, or longer. Who knows, this could also be something that changed due to a PS3 update on the system...like I said it was working fine. In that case, I don't really care...we didn't sell it.
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Post 20 made on Sunday November 18, 2012 at 20:03
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On November 18, 2012 at 15:16, tweeterguy said...
Sure it would but that's not how the AA piece is supposed to work in my experience and based on their literature. According to AA, their unit can be powered via batteries, USB or wall wart. We choose the wall wart method as the adaptor is remotely located away from the PS3 in the rack room and we don't want to use up a PS3 USB port. Furthermore the AA unit can evidently track power state via USB or via interpolation and I believe the Bluetooth link.

They even go so far as to provide us with separate discrete commands:

P-OFF
0000 0067 0000 0015 0060 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 01B0

PS (P-ON)
0000 0067 0000 0015 0060 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 01E0

It sounds like what you are saying is that those are not truly discrete? I don't really understand how a true discrete P-OFF command could turn a device ON. If that's the case we'll just have them run a USB cable out of the PS3 into the adaptor. I've never had to do any other type of programming logic to make this work...that's what really bugs me. Maybe we are dealing with two different animals here since you have the Harmony adaptor?

What I am saying is the PS3 does not have discrete commands. The AA piece uses a sequence to turn the PS3 off. That sequence probably starts with the 'PS' button, which turns the PS3 on. The AA piece has to know if the PS3 is on or off in order for those commands to truely act as discretes otherwise the power off command will always turn the PS3 back on.

I just looked at the manual, it does use the USB connection to sense whether the PS3 is on/off. Sound like you can use that in conjunction with the power supply or batteries to get the desired result.
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Post 21 made on Monday November 19, 2012 at 08:15
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^^^ What he said. You'd laugh if you saw what the off command is. I forget how may macro steps there are, but there's a bunch. If I'm not mistaken you can connect to it and make adjustments to the macro. It's been a while, I don;t remember much more than that...
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Post 22 made on Monday November 19, 2012 at 08:46
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On November 18, 2012 at 15:32, tweeterguy said...
Yeah, I wish I had listened to my Dad and gone to law school...

I did and decided this was more exciting than getting a child molester out of jail or breaking up a marriage...
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OP | Post 23 made on Wednesday November 21, 2012 at 21:24
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On November 18, 2012 at 20:03, Hoggy46 said...
What I am saying is the PS3 does not have discrete commands. The AA piece uses a sequence to turn the PS3 off. That sequence probably starts with the 'PS' button, which turns the PS3 on. The AA piece has to know if the PS3 is on or off in order for those commands to truely act as discretes otherwise the power off command will always turn the PS3 back on.

You're correct and I thank you for your insight. The PS3 is now out of sync with the AA adaptor. We are doing no variable tracking on the device from the MSC. How it became out of sync I do not know...PS3 update or user power down via front panel possibly. AA confirms that their P-OFF sends P-ON first. So much for my ASSumption that the AA piece (or any other unit for that matter) was using true discrete commands. Funny this is the first time we've had this issue...of course it's also likely other clients don't a) use it often or b) know about it.

For now we have the unit auto powering down after 1 hour and have advised of a USB cable ran from the PS3 to that AA unit in the rack room.

Thanks again all for the assistance.
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Post 24 made on Wednesday November 21, 2012 at 21:48
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If that device is anything like the RE-BL unit that has discretes for PS3, the "discrete OFF" is really a macro. That's all I know about it though.
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OP | Post 25 made on Wednesday November 21, 2012 at 21:53
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On November 21, 2012 at 21:48, drobaina said...
If that device is anything like the RE-BL unit that has discretes for PS3, the "discrete OFF" is really a macro. That's all I know about it though.

You are correct. It's the exact same thing rebadged by AA. And according to the engineer at audio authority the very first step in the OFF macro is PS (aka power on) lol
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Post 26 made on Friday November 23, 2012 at 21:17
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Classic TOAD workaround scenario. Something we had to deal with much more back in the late '90s and early 2000s. 
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