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Question on placing door contact
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| Topic: | Question on placing door contact This thread has 21 replies. Displaying posts 1 through 15. |
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| Post 1 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 21:09 |
iimig Senior Member |
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I am working with a job that has very expensive Italian brushed anodized sliding doors and windows. They also have an integral screen (this is in addition to the Lutron shades). Historically we have avoided recessing door contacts on sliders because of potential warranty issues from the doors themselves. Can anybody speak with authority on what the deal with this is? How about $$$ anodized doors like these?  As you can see this is our last chance to get things right before the stucco gets applied. It will be coming right up to the door frame. Obviously the wire can move anywhere in the flashing if it needs to. Normally would use a discreet surface mount sensor, but as you can see the frame of the door is about 2" thick before the slider hits. I know there has to be a product that is meant for this type of installation, I just haven't ran into it yet. Any ideas?
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| Post 2 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 21:37 |
noot98 Long Time Member |
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Having a hard time getting pespective from this pic, any other pics?
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| OP | Post 3 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 21:55 |
iimig Senior Member |
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This is the only other one I have. Basically you are looking up, note that there is a transom immediately above the door opening. I will try to mark up this photo so you can see better.
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| Post 4 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 22:08 |
william david design Super Member |
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What about brown surface mount contacts? Or you could paint/stain micro white contacts. I wouldn't drill the door frame or door. No way to get wire closer to door underneath stucco?
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| Post 5 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 22:12 |
noot98 Long Time Member |
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If your controls are honeywell i bet you can fit a wireless sensor in. Look at 5820 , 5811 or their new mini wireless plunger.
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| OP | Post 6 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 22:14 |
iimig Senior Member |
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This might make more sense of it
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| OP | Post 7 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 22:19 |
iimig Senior Member |
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I can get the wire closer to the door frame, but once it gets there you can see that there is 1.5" or so to the actual moving door. Is there a contact that is shaped in such a way it will occupy that space and you won't see wire going to the contact? Wireless is an option if we really have to. Was wanting to use something like these, where the wire can enter from behind and the whole thing can be painted, but the door is too far away
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| Post 8 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 22:42 |
Hasbeen Loyal Member |
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Why is the wire so far away from the door?
I'm having a hard time with the picture too....but it looks like it's a "new construction" home?
If so, in order to conceal the wire, can you cut a hole in the drywall, pull the wire back through the wall, drill a 3/4 hole into the doorwall jam, then dirll a small wire bit on an angle into the wall and use a door plunger button? You may need a couple of spacers depending on the quality of the door, but it'll be hidden.
Drywall ain't that big of a deal to fix.
And you won't need to mount anything on the sliding part of the door.
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| Post 9 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 22:47 |
edizzle Loyal Member |
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use a wireless recessed door transmitter. DSC, Honeywell, GE. they all have them. i just had to instruct my security guy to do this on a 3 sets of $75k folding exterior doors.
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| Post 10 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 23:21 |
Neurorad Super Member |
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Is that a drywall perforated edge bead? You may be able to use a rotary tool and cutting disc to channel the drywall and edge bead, to get that cable right to the edge.
I'm not a big fan of mechanical plungers. I think you're best off with a hardwired micro surface mount contact, with a painted finish to match the door exactly.
Wireless would be slightly larger and add battery maintenance as a factor.
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| OP | Post 11 made on Tuesday July 31, 2012 at 23:52 |
iimig Senior Member |
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It is new construction. The wire was positioned there by the drywall installers. I can move it without issue since there is no finish work completed. Yes, that is a perforated edge bead, but I can notch it no problem. So then I am to the edge of the door "casework." Notice in the pic the door does not close right against the wall. Is there a sensor out there that is large enough where it will cover the wire and get close enough to the moving door?
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| Post 12 made on Wednesday August 1, 2012 at 00:41 |
Mario Loyal Member |
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In the picture provided, is the door closed or opened? It looks to me like it may be opened in which case it seems to go completely into the door frame (like a pocket door). If that's correct, installing surface magnet may be out of the question as the magnet would fall off when the door is fully opened into the pocket.
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| OP | Post 13 made on Wednesday August 1, 2012 at 00:53 |
iimig Senior Member |
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The door is open. It does go into the door frame (I guess kind of like a pocket door).
You are right, if the magnet was placed too far on the edge of the door it would in fact get scraped off.
That is why I am looking for a sensor that can mount to the far side of the "pocket" without exposing wiring. If there is such a thing. It sounds like the general concensus with very expensive doors is not to recess?
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| Post 14 made on Wednesday August 1, 2012 at 01:12 |
cma Super Member |
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I always pull the wire out for sliders from the floor or at the top in the middle pillar of the door and use a surface mount contact painted to match the door. Which ever position makes most sense per the installation.
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| Post 15 made on Wednesday August 1, 2012 at 02:40 |
Mario Loyal Member |
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On August 1, 2012 at 01:12, cma said...
I always pull the wire out for sliders from the floor or at the top in the middle pillar of the door and use a surface mount contact painted to match the door. Which ever position makes most sense per the installation.  Problem is he has transom window above the door. The only thing I can think of is wireless sensor on the frame, above the door and a magnet in the door. Small 1/4" hole in the sliding door into which you push/shove a bare magnet.
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