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Lockset mobile integration without C4 or Alarm.com?
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Post 1 made on Tuesday January 31, 2012 at 12:03
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Does anyone have any recommendations for controling a zigbee or zwave deadbolt or entry set without having the two services listed above? We were planning on installing DSC.
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Post 2 made on Tuesday January 31, 2012 at 12:32
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good luck! i exhaustively researched this for a client. basically you can do micasa verde w/ crestron or you can attempt to obtain integration through the leviton serial to Zwave adapter. it has limited controls but can definitely lock unlock etc. Crestron is supposedly in the works for native support.  i think it might have been licensing w/ C4 holding up support for zigbee versions. to answer your question there is no GOOD way to integrate without C4. which really really sucks.
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Post 3 made on Tuesday January 31, 2012 at 12:43
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Do HAI. They just released firmware than controls zigbee with an adapter.
OP | Post 4 made on Tuesday January 31, 2012 at 12:47
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Sooooooo......get signed up with Alarm.com and work with another manufacturer for one specific job. Again. LOL!

Thanks
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Post 5 made on Tuesday January 31, 2012 at 13:15
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On January 31, 2012 at 12:43, Ranger Home said...
Do HAI. They just released firmware than controls zigbee with an adapter.

i am almost 100% positive HAI is using the leviton device i listed earlier. when i did all of my research the newest version of the VRC0P designated with RF+3 on the end had just come out and it added the secure protocol on which the locks communicate. HAI was literally just getting involved in looking at the command structure etc. Now it is officially supported. i would go HAI all the way over alarm.com they suck!!
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Post 6 made on Tuesday January 31, 2012 at 13:19
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drewski, youve got mail. just confirmed they support zwave and zigbee locks.
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Post 7 made on Tuesday January 31, 2012 at 20:06
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Honeywell TUXW.

I'm using it standalone, with WiFi, controlling several lights, a door lock and a thermostat.

This is on a demo bench at the office, and it works rather well.

I also have a TC2 cam setup and it views live on the keypad which works well.

I'm not sure what Alarm.com or C4 have as comparisons, but I could provide much more detailed info if needed, just shoot me an email.
Post 8 made on Tuesday January 31, 2012 at 20:44
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On January 31, 2012 at 20:06, JoeyCes said...
Honeywell TUXW.

I'm using it standalone, with WiFi, controlling several lights, a door lock and a thermostat.

This is on a demo bench at the office, and it works rather well.

I also have a TC2 cam setup and it views live on the keypad which works well.

I'm not sure what Alarm.com or C4 have as comparisons, but I could provide much more detailed info if needed, just shoot me an email.

have you integrated into a control system? is it used through a honeywell alarm panel? bout to google it
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Post 9 made on Tuesday January 31, 2012 at 21:02
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got it. looks pretty nice! we use vista panels already to integrate with crestron. i wonder if the control protocol has been updated to include lock/unlock and status for the doorlocks.
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Post 10 made on Wednesday February 1, 2012 at 07:29
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If the door is wired, or you can get a wire there, you could consider a wired electric strike. Like in the old days. They've gotten more attractive, and no batteries.

I just read of the Securitron UnLatch device rec'd for this purpose, at cocoontech.com forums, this AM. Includes lock status monitoring.
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OP | Post 11 made on Wednesday February 1, 2012 at 09:31
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On February 1, 2012 at 07:29, Neurorad said...
If the door is wired, or you can get a wire there, you could consider a wired electric strike. Like in the old days. They've gotten more attractive, and no batteries.

I just read of the Securitron UnLatch device rec'd for this purpose, at cocoontech.com forums, this AM. Includes lock status monitoring.

I thought about doing this and utilizing a PGM or relay on the DSC. The only problem is that would be great for my house but for a customer it's a little too techie. I like the interface of Alarm.com and of Honeywell because it's a pleasing UI and experience. I think HAI is a pretty good solution but we've only made system changes to a couple of HAI systems in the past and I think it's a little expensive for not utilizing all of it's features. I wouldn't go with anything less than the IIe which is still pretty darn expensive. I'm leaning toward Honeywell, then HAI, then Alarm.com.

Thanks for all the advice!
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Post 12 made on Wednesday February 1, 2012 at 12:00
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A wired strike, I think (never done it myself), could be used with most any controller that is 'web-enabled'.

I'd look into controlling the DSC from one of several apps - don't know how easily they're configured to control relays, though.

Maybe CommandFusion would be an option for control. Search for DSC and CF.

Elk would be another alarm consideration, though the price would be similar to the OPIIe. eKeypad seems to be the most popular option for controlling Elk remotely.
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OP | Post 13 made on Wednesday February 1, 2012 at 14:04
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On January 31, 2012 at 20:06, JoeyCes said...
Honeywell TUXW.

I'm using it standalone, with WiFi, controlling several lights, a door lock and a thermostat.

This is on a demo bench at the office, and it works rather well.

I also have a TC2 cam setup and it views live on the keypad which works well.

I'm not sure what Alarm.com or C4 have as comparisons, but I could provide much more detailed info if needed, just shoot me an email.

Joey, I understand the concept but can you control the keypad via the web server but what do you need to do outside the home? Would you need to have a VPN in to make it work?
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Post 14 made on Friday February 3, 2012 at 20:44
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On January 31, 2012 at 20:44, edizzle said...
have you integrated into a control system? is it used through a honeywell alarm panel? bout to google it

No on the control system, although you could program a zwave output device to trigger an event on a control backbone, such as RTI through CCI. I also have the hardwired version running off of a Vista20p, and both the WiFi and hardwired panels share zwave control through master/slave configurations.

After the hardwired one was setup, the wifi one was setup within minutes.

Scarily easy.

On February 1, 2012 at 14:04, drewski300 said...
Joey, I understand the concept but can you control the keypad via the web server but what do you need to do outside the home? Would you need to have a VPN in to make it work?

The keypad locally (inside the private IP range) can be accessed by any browser and mobile phone, which gives FULL access emulation of the TUXW, including automation configured through zwave.

All remote access is done through the TC2 app, which gives keypad control, camera access and event notification (customizable). The zwave control has been omitted from the TC2 app for security reasons, although you could trigger system wide events (arm away) that would trigger simpler automation.

All in all, I haven't been able to break it yet.

Another cool thing, is you have full access to 6 TC2 cameras, and have full PTZ support through the keypad.
Post 15 made on Saturday February 4, 2012 at 09:46
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