Most clients with dedicated theaters I've found like to collect discs, it's just part of having the theater, they prefeR the collection and the disc quality.

I grabbed that link because it was the first one. I posted it because this thread jogged my memory of a story I heard on the Radio and again on a obscure news station called CNN.

 

All of the "i like" "i prefer" arguments were used describing horses when the automobile was born. Of course there are good reasons/excuses to keep physical media around but they wont out weight cost and convenience. What you like and the reality of the market place may be two very different things.

Lots of people liked LPs but CD kicked their ass. Lots of people love their CD's but when was the last time you sold a CD changer? I havent touched a disc of any type in years aside from testing a clients blu-ray player at the end of an installation.

People "really liked" recording oprah with VHS and now they all use DVRs. I cant tell you how many clients 'had to have' a VCR added to the system even after i warned them that they would never use it. "I have so many movies" "i want to be able to record". A year later at a service call or upgrade guess what the client says "you were right we never use the VCR now". Now we dont allow VCRs/DVD/Cassette players in their systems.

People think they like/prefer/need something until something better shows up. Look around at all of the people still using blackberrys.

Exactly right.  It's the natural progression of things.  We're going to give up physically touching the product, but we're gaining access to our media wherever we're at in the world. We don't have to worry about what car the CD is in. 

The manufacturers are trading in the "one time" fee for a CD/DVD for the recurring revenue of a monthly fee for the rest of your life.  They realize now, like Steve Jobs did years ago, if you make all the music available whenever/wherever the customer is at, they'll buy more.  I haven't bought a CD in a decade, but I've downloaded plenty of songs.  I'm their target market, there are plenty of people like me, we like music, but we don't like buying crap CD's for 2 good songs.  This is a way for the manufacturers to extract money out of my pocket.  The guy who buys CD's is going to continue to buy them, they already have him, they're coming after people like me.

Here's a stroy I love to tell to customers.  A long time ago I read an article in a trade magazine about "cable modem".  I had no idea what it was.  All I knew is that it ran over RG6. (that's what the article told me). About 2 weeks later I was on a prewire in Ypsilanti, I explained to the client that she'd want me to wire RG6 at the computer locations because there was something called "cable modem" coming out.  

She said, "No, I don't want to pay extra for that.  My dial up is really fast"  

Satellite internet is bumping up to 12 mbps soon from what i understand-should make streaming even more prevalent in those hard to reach places

Have you had satellite internet? I did 2 yrs ago and it was ALWAYS going out. That and it was expensive.

Correct.

[Link: techdirt.com]

The issue is that you fail to realize that your comments are like a 5 year old asking if he can buy that 200$ toy with that quarter he has and when the answer is no him asking if you can go back next week when he gets his allowance.
Your 20Mbps and their 60Mbps is chump change if you want quality video. 2D BD is 40MBps video, 48Mbps AV and 60Mbps total content. Because of the way the internet works (it was built for robustness and not speed where sequence matters) that data would need to be 1.5x to 2x as high in order to work properly(TCP/IP over head and error correction for bits not reaching in the right sequence), so that brings us to more or less 100mbps, now let’s face it, as long as you don’t live by yourself, it could happen that one person in the household wants to watch one thing and someone else something other, easy with physical media but if you want/need two streams at a time that brings us to 200mbps. And we have yet to factor in 3D which has already come out and bumped up all those numbers (which is why BD increased the bitrate for 3D) and 4k which is on the horizon and will be here way before even 100mbps is easy for most people.

Man you just lost any credibility maybe acceptable (assuming someone has real low standards, but good that is just complete nonsense. You realy need to get your vision and hearing checked if you think so

Just for your own information here is the latest info for music
[Link: ifpi.org]

And don’t forget digital music started over a decade ago and that is how far it moved (thoug in the US Digital did just surpass CD last year)

Maybe but CDs came out over two decades ago (close to 3 decades ago) and
[Link: digitalmusicnews.com]

The up or 39% are not important but the simple fact is LPs have yet to disappear.

So you realy think in 8 years there won't be physical media any more?

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Of Course it will exist,  but it won't be the way the vast majority of people enjoy their media.

 

well I was asking 39 because he said there won't be a place for physical media by the end of the decade (so obviously you disagree with that even if it is for a small minority of people)
but to your post I would ask what does it matter? I don't care if people eat at McD I don't care if 39 is willing to watch low quality Netflix streaming, how does it affect my life if a vast majority of people watch low quality streaming movies if I can choose to watch high quality movies?
Now don't get me wrong, I don't care if my movies come on tapes, shinny disks DL or something else, but I don't think in 10 years we will have the infrastructure for streaming/DL to compete in price, convenience and quality with disks and that is what is important. Now if it does (and beats it) I will be one of your majority but if not and I have the choice why would I care what anyone else does?
The issue is I came to this thread to read about Kaleidescape and instead I am forced to read the ravings of a guy that decided since he does not care would should all be forced to watch crap

Streaming Netflix sucks on my Comcast 10/2 connection (fastest tier available to me), but for devices that can buffer/record the stream like my DirecTV receiver or ATV2, it may take a few minutes to get started, but the quality is pretty good.

I know ATV2 is only 720p, but it is a lot better than what Netflix can stream to me.

So maybe the future is not pure streaming, but a combination of streaming/buffering. A K never appealed to me as we don't watch enough current movies, much less older ones. And I am technically savvy enough to have built a PC based one if I really wanted it.

And resolution keeps notching up while the ability to stream it lags continuously behind.


But you are in the city. I am too. I am also two hours away from places that don't have high speed. Sat for high speed is not good. My aunt in farm country in Michigan won't be streaming anytime soon, and other posters have noted that she is in a large group of rural folks just like her.


This is bad for your credibility. This was the scare headline in the beginning. I've owned hundreds of CDs from the inception of the format and been in homes of people with thousands, and have never seen it. If you have seen one or five it is so inconsequential as a sample that is irrelevant.

The issue for you guys is that you fail to realize that your square block and the three guys you hang out with at the local barber shop are not the entire world.

You can try and hold on to your horse and buggy as long as you want. Reality will show up anyway.


20 and 60 are today. What were they 10 years ago? In a decade the speeds will increase significantly. They wont increase slowly or just double. We have many more years of experience with broadband so things are going to move much quicker now. What has you assuming that technology will just stay where it is?


Um... how? If you are stating that speeds wont get faster and quality wont get better you may need some psychological help. That stance is pretty ridiculous and quite frankly im surprised you would post it. Every piece of technology improves every year. Please explain why you think it doesnt.


People still ride horses too. But the days of them being a primary mode of transportation are over. They, like LPs are a novelty. Its easy to come up 39% from nothing. How do you think LPs stack up against other music sales? I would say something like 0.000000001%.

The only reason CDs stuck around so long is that no one but apple had a simple solution for people to use to search for/purchase/use digital music. There still isnt anything closed enough to compete with the iPod and iTunes. Android cell phones are the closest competition (due to consumer reach) and when was the last time you saw an android phone dock or any audio video accessories for that matter?


Who said that? So far its just you. I said that physical media is on its way out. I also pointed out how some horse and buggy types are still buying VHS. That doesnt make a case for VCRs being relevant. My guess is that in 10 years the DVD buyers will be the people digging thru the $5 bin at walmart. The Blu-ray buyers will be the fraction of the population who have dedicated home theaters or media rooms and everyone else will be streaming and downloading.

Just like PC software and hardware but somehow we seem to manage?


The US in general is lagging behind but that wont last forever.


Are you telling me you have never had a CD that just stopped working? No scratches? There are hundreds of homes with no black mold. Are you suggesting this is evidence that black mold doesn't exist? Are you saying that inconsequential=doesnt exist? Are you a politician?



I mentioned CD rot in response to the notion that a plastic disc is somehow a better storage solution when compared to a hard drive. Your CD or DVD is as safe a bet as a backup as a hard drive.