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| Topic: | To flood or not to flood... That is the question. This thread has 14 replies. Displaying all posts. |
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| Post 1 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 00:22 |
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I'm installing a few security cameras on a home in a rural area.
The homeowner is interested in installed some motion activated flood lights to help the cameras see better.
I'm interested in installing some IR LED flood lights help the camera see better.
What do you guys think? Does the element of surprise when a motion sensor light come on help prevent theft? (This also causes the iris to have to re-adjust).
Would an IR LED flood provide a more consistant video picture?
Yes the motion sensor might scare them away and the IR flood would never be seen.
some input please.
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| Post 2 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 00:30 |
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What kind/brand of cameras do you already have spec'd?
Lights generally may scare away a rookie thief, a good monitored alarm system with siren, and signs in the yard are more effective. Flood lights don't call the cops.
IR LED blaster would be more usable over long distance because the camera knows how to deal with that type of light.
Buy some good pelco low light cameras and even without extra light/led they are VERY usable!
To me, be obvious you have a monitored alarm system, make the cameras obvious to see (even the cheapies that you can actually see the LED rings glowing) are all deterrents.
Floods may or may not get your home owners attention unless they are awake. Cameras with signs will always attract the thiefs attention.
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| OP | Post 3 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 00:44 |
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On August 18, 2011 at 00:30, Crazyone said...
What kind/brand of cameras do you already have spec'd? I haven't spec'd anything on this job yet. Just met with the homeowner today and discussed the situation and needs.
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| OP | Post 4 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 00:48 |
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It also looks like this entire system will need to be IP cameras with POE. Just an FYI. I haven't really dealt with and stand alone DVR units that are sole IP based. Any suggestion (vs. going with a PC) would be helpful.
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| Post 5 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 01:29 |
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On August 18, 2011 at 00:48, fixitnick said...
It also looks like this entire system will need to be IP cameras with POE. And the reason for this is?
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| OP | Post 6 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 01:54 |
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On August 18, 2011 at 01:29, davidcasemore said...
And the reason for this is? No particular reason other than power is hard to reach in the needed camera locations. Yes, I know I can pull siamese cable to each location but, I prefer to include video, audio and power in one cable if possible. I'm kinda restricted on budget and figured this would be the easy way. Please correct me if I'm wrong. They already have a 16 port PoE switch (with only 6 ports used).
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| Post 7 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 02:25 |
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Motion activated Flood lights can freak out your cameras day night sensor at just precisely the wrong moment, like when the bad guy is about to stare into the camera so I don't recommend they be installed near a cameras field of view.
IR flood lights can work good if you get the right kind otherwise they give a great big hot spot right in the middle that tappers off rapidly to the sides. Further, plants and other reflective objects can be an IR night mare as they can glow like torches in front of your camera greatly diminishing your view of anything around the glowing object. so plan your placement with this in mind.
Is audio a prerequisite on this job? You mentioned a low budget, I would go with good 24 volt wired cameras, I have not personally found a POE camera that has decent IR or even really good low light capability's that can beat a wired camera. The price is also much lower with wired cameras.
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| OP | Post 8 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 02:31 |
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On August 18, 2011 at 02:25, RTI Installer said...
Is audio a prerequisite on this job? No, audio is not required. I don't mind going with wired camera but, I was thinking that IP may have caught up by now. Maybe not. Humm.. Give me some options here. TIA
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| Post 9 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 03:19 |
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On August 18, 2011 at 01:54, fixitnick said...
No particular reason other than power is hard to reach in the needed camera locations. Yes, I know I can pull siamese cable to each location but, I prefer to include video, audio and power in one cable if possible. I'm kinda restricted on budget and figured this would be the easy way. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
They already have a 16 port PoE switch (with only 6 ports used). "... kinda restricted on budget ..." and "... need to be IP cameras ..." The one (IP cameras) doesn't follow the other (budget) in the real world. You'll get a much better bang/buck with a standard camera. Be sure to shop around on the RG59/18-2 siamese because the prices tend to be all over the map.
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| Post 10 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 07:30 |
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On August 18, 2011 at 03:19, davidcasemore said...
The one (IP cameras) doesn't follow the other (budget) in the real world. You'll get a much better bang/buck with a standard camera. Be sure to shop around on the RG59/18-2 siamese because the prices tend to be all over the map. agreed, but depending on length of run and number of cameras in the job you may want to look @ using cat5E and transceivers (baluns)...copper is not getting any cheaper and siamese VS cat/transceiver may sway cost towards cat5/transceiver.
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| Post 11 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 12:19 |
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I think its a great idea with both IR light and motion sensors. The motion sensor light scares them away and the IR provides for better view.
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| Post 12 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 15:10 |
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On August 18, 2011 at 12:19, DannyD said...
I think its a great idea with both IR light and motion sensors. The motion sensor light scares them away and the IR provides for better view. This makes no sense. At all. Sort of like using speakers and headphones at the same time. The speakers fill the room with sound and the headphones block out the sound from the speakers!
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| Post 13 made on Thursday August 18, 2011 at 19:06 |
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You can do video and power using cat5e or cat6 with baluns....
Also keep in mind IR needs something to bounce off of to work....will not work correctly if you just have the IR shooting out into open space.....
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| OP | Post 14 made on Friday August 19, 2011 at 05:01 |
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On August 18, 2011 at 07:30, mr2channel said...
agreed, but depending on length of run and number of cameras in the job you may want to look @ using cat5E and transceivers (baluns)...copper is not getting any cheaper and siamese VS cat/transceiver may sway cost towards cat5/transceiver. Baluns...Something to consider. I think we are only going to use 4 cameras but, I'll install and 8 ch dvr for future expansion.
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| Post 15 made on Friday August 19, 2011 at 07:24 |
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Look at Speco Intensifier.
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