Thanks,

Sounds good to me.

But what about flexibility for future technologies that may not embrace current wiring formats?

Could we see a mind set develop over the next ten years with builders, wherein they are mind set with your program and not willing to embrace the new thing. We saw this in the past as builders were {many still are} apt to just have the sparky run daisy chain cable from room to room, even when they knew about the advantages of a central panel with phone, data and cable home runs for a few bucks more?

This is the reason for getting the manufacturers' attention first. If there is a significant number of manufacturers using this topology or that CAN BE USED WITH this topology, then it becomes futile to resist the flow of using currently available technologies and materials. This has been demonstrated in the computer industry with the recent battles with Windows vs. BeOS and Windows vs. Linux.

As for 'future' technologies, we can only see as far as wireless currently (802.11, WiFi, etc.). Beyond that, I think our technology has stretched the spectrum of possible wiring topologies. The question then would be 'can HA-Ready do THAT new thing?' I would hope that we have accounted for ALL upcoming technologies and their required wiring, but we don't have a crystal ball available.

I would like to personally extend this offer to any new manufactured product for residential use: the wiring standard is freely available. I would like to keep it alive for as long as it can go. I am even willing to work with that product's R&D team to find a solution that will work with the current or next version of the wiring standard.

I hope that put those concerns to rest for you...

Thank you for your comment, and keep them coming!

I think the thing that has everyone riled up is the idea of "the standard" when things change so quickly, and has been noted, there are lots of ways to skin the cat in any given install scenario.

Wes -- instead of a standard, how about a web site of best practices. All the pros here could post their accounts of challenging installs and how they solved the challenge, what equipment they used, and why they chose to do it that way. That way everybody gets to share what works best, and a "standard" (dare I say it) evolves out of what the community sees works best in the real world.

Just a thought. Chuck my two cents back if you don't like 'em. :)

-tk-

No Thumkin, your feedback counts.

The goal of this 'standard' is not for notoriety or fame. It is simply because I believe in this industry and what it can do. In that belief, using a foundation-level building block upon which to build is key. All systems need wiring. We can't ignore this fact. If manufacturers were to grasp this concept, it would be enough for systems integrators to join in. With those two in harmony, architects and builders would be an easy buy-in to the idea. And with all of these in one accord, the real estate industry has no excuse to not participate.

A community of 'best practices' is simply a way to tout the equipment used instead of design technique. Our focus should not be on the install, but what the system can do AFTERWARDS.

If you were to liken this to childbirth, installation is the pregnancy. If your installation IS your best foot, then it will stay infantile instead of growing to be the vital daily tool you sold it to be. Our goal is to have clients that are not only happy after and installation, but stay happy enough to make you a buzzword or a household name! Verizon realized that the key to more subscribers is to have a consistently clean and available signal for telephone calls. Does anyone brag about NexTel that way?

A standard is a tool designed to get a goal accomplished, nothing more. In my short time in this industry, I have asked and witnessed that there are no such tools in existence to compare with what is being proposed--TIA 568-A&B and 570-A&B have gone but so far in defining a standard. This is a contribution to add to it.

There are many web sites that do what you are suggesting--this is one of them. I believe this website has existed for over five years, and (not to defame the site, webmaster, or creator) there is no existing standard to speak that has been borne of THIS means of sharing ideas. Chat forums do not shape the direction of manufacture--the commitment to follow ideas do. Everything else in the world as we know it follows manufacture. So, our key to adoption is manufacturer participation.

Thank you for responding!

This message was edited by Wesley Mullings on 11/17/03 22:45.

There are too many crummy installers out there...CEDIA should have stringent entrance requirements if someone would like to become a member.

Anthony

I want to thank everyone for their participation. We all may have our separate ways of thinking and coming to solutions, but it takes these these thoughts to get that solution. You have all shown me a few things that I may have missed or not thought of, and I appreciate that.

The documents will be reviewed by the TIA's 42.2 subcommittee in February. We will see what happens.

If there are no other issues to bring up, this thread is adjourned!

Awwwwww, Thread closed! I missed it!!!! Well, i guess my resistance would have been futile anyway.

How could I match wits with a guy who has degrees from NJIT AND DeVry!



Sorry.

Hey man... this is a free country... if we want to keep this thread going we surely can!

Hey, maybe Engineer Friend can get his pompous ass over here to this one. I'd love to read a big oscilloscope laden dissertation on what he thinks of the wiring standard!

Sorry, to diappoint R-man, didn't have the patience to read it. Sounds like there's plenty of flame to go around here though. Anything I could add would just be self-serving and I wouldn't DREAM of doing that.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

Hello Wesley,
How is your wiring standard going? Did you check out the TIA/EIA 570B?

please don't dredge up ancient posts like this.. we don't need to rehash this BS again, ya know.

Wesley,

Sorry for my late arrival to this thread. It took me 20 minutes to read through it before I could post my thoughts. Winner of the longest thread in June award?

Your web site is polished, and your ideas are sound. That's how the uninformed will see it, and you are after the uninformed by your own admission. If I was a real estate developer, archetect, builder, or other non-industry proffesional, I would be enamoured with your plan.

You're poised for a marketing coup that could change the way the country deals with audio/video, much like Bose did in the 90's. Everyone in the industry knows that Bose does not make the best speakers, but ask the average joe on the street. Such is the glassy, slick, glitzy world of marketing. People in England "Hoover" their rugs, and I blow my noze in Kleenex. Lol!

A standard... Hmmm.

Here's a joke:

How many Microsoft software engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Answer: None, they just declare darkness the new standard.

I believe the world is best served by competing standards. Windows dominates and hence limits. AT&T was uninterested in breaking up, but the advances said break up made available to us as telephone users are nearly immeasurable. WE'd probably still be using the 6 button desk phones, available in 5 colors, had the SEC not stepped in.

Go ahead and throw it out there. I may use it, from time to time, but don't expect a tremendous amount of support from industry professionals.

Dan
DC Design

AAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!

Not this again.... but since it was here I took the time to revisit our young Wesley's site and found it to be just as bloody self serving as most of us previously thought it was.

Among the bullet points regarding his "residential design"

"Your Current Subcontractor can install"
"Switch Subcontractors without starting over"
"No need for client interview"
"Home owners can install their own electronics"

Bullet points followed up with...

"Please select a document to preview our SALES and MARKETING materials".

Wesley... if you still snoop around here maybe you should realize that even under the semi-anonymous guise of internet forums... we were all smart enough to see what the hell you were up to... I think Impaqt had you sniffed in the 3rd or 4th post.

The one thing I can be ralatively sure of is this...

The last bullet point...

"10 year future proof guarantee"

This will put you out of business and in the courtroom about 5 years from now.

There is a theatre designer of renown who encourages do-it-yourselfers. He offers over the internet design and does a fantastic job of acing out anyone local by empowering DIYers to forge ahead. I have seen the end results of these designs and I have to admit that they came out pretty good. While it pisses me off a little that equipment is being sold and transshipped into my backyard and that my brain was picked on these projects... at least this guy is up front about his business model... I don't remember him showing up here and typing in caps about needing all of our attention and telling us he was going to revolutionize the theater design industry before trying to eliminate us.

Whatever... sparkys are pretty much getting the strucured wiring market now anyway because they are already there... they can have it. I'll stay like the scavenging seagull... waiting to gorge on the "dead carcass" that these guys leave when they don't follow up or when they get in over their heads on somethign as simple as an A-Bus system. I'll gladly replace the wiring that they f--k up even with Wesley's "standard".

Good luck bro... hope you get to retire early.

I think the majority opinion here says it all!