Yes Sir! I stand corrected Sir.
Thought you could handle the truth but i cant handle the truth.
You did order the code red sir or what ever color your standard said didnt you Sir!

wes, guess I hit a nerve with you...
Please spend some time with your family, if you have any and leave these minor details to the professionals. I see you are nothing more than a hobbyist at this point(or perhaps an attention whore).

And yes, I'm on my free time. ;P

This message was edited by chardero on 11/11/03 10:57.

Oh, I almost forgot, your company came up with this result:There are no CEDIA member companies matching your criteria.

[Link: cedia.net]

You might want to drop the word "lifestyle" from your company's name. It might get you in hot water. It would be the "fair and balanced" thing to do.

Oh look, I was wrong,

Wesley Mullings, CEDIA Certified Professional Designer I.

So, why is it you have linked to the unofficial web site that is not registered?

here is the real site you should be linking to..
Innovations In Home Entertainment: [Link: innovationsinhomeentertainment.com]


Thanks for your info.

Wes, perhaps you would like to relay the article that you wrote for CE Pro awhile back? The one where you suggested putting video cameras in peoples home to study their habits BEFORE submitting a design proposal to them?

[Link: ce-pro.com]

APRIL 2001



Please, I invite all to read.....

Ooops! My face is red.... apparently that was just a general link. Here's the direct link:

[Link: ehonline.com]

big brother is watching....

"hello Mr. I don't know you from Adam installer, please put video cameras with audio throughout my house, just so you can best tailor my new automation system to best suit my needs in the bedroom...err...ummm...."

Very trusting customers I guess....

What's wrong with that? I always suggest installing cameras's in my clients bedrooms so I can analyze the tapes later and determine the best "user interface" for them :-).

OK, the cameras would pose a problem in most clients homes, the rest of what he said should be common knowledge for anyone doing anything remotely high end in this business. If you don't know those basic rules (or standards) of dealing with your clients, then your not getting the big jobs, or your certainly not doing them well. And thats why some of us have to go around cleaning up other peoples messes.

Tool

Tough Crowd !


So Wesley Mullings, I think you have good intentions, it appears you intend to create a vehicle, which the sole purpose of, is to put pressure upon el-cheepo builders to go for the bigger package as standard fare? However, no disrespect sir, but you sound like a politician, which of course no one trusts politicians, especially hi end A/V installers. You have an eloquent way of twisting the world around your axel, but you must understand, what we need from you, is just the facts not the fluff.

The chain of command in this industry goes something like this
1-GOD
2-Qualified A/V Installer
3-Rep/Distributer
4-Manufacturer

We know better than anyone what is going on and what should be going on with our business. We are the ones with the scars, the bad knees, and the bumps on our heads. Further, we have heard a lot of mumbo jumbo from a lot of well-intentioned people in the industry over several decades, so you need to cut us some slack, if some of us come off like rough necks. Further, I think the only standard that makes any sense is a 1-¼ inch minimum pull pipe standard.

As for my self:

I don’t do prewires for contractors, because there is no money there and there is no guarantee that the homeowner will even call you.

I have never dealt with a real estate agent, regarding my line of work.

I do work with architects {but what I say usually goes}
I do work with designers {but what I say usually goes}
I do work with homeowners {who usually want me to tell them what they want}
I do make a good living, fixing a lot of other peoples mistakes {mostly electricians and wana bee installers}



Please just give us a basic point-by-point description of what this is really all about. In less than a paragraph.



Thank You,

David

Man, I thought it was Al Gore gona re-invent the Internet?

I think Wesley has many good valid points;
The camera observation is a sensible good idea.

A better basic standard AV wiring code is a great idea

Accurate customer qualifying is essential.

Getting architects/builders/designers to get a better understanding of what is required so they can accommodate us (AV custom installers) is a great idea.

The thing is most of us have encountered the problems with these good ideas. That’s not to say they are not Brilliant good ideas.

World peace is a sensible good idea. It won’t happen because of idiots. Should we stop trying for world peace? Of course not.

I feel many of us (my self included) have taken a cynical approach to Mr. Mullings suggestions

I feel that just to suggest camera surveillance of a customer might make SOME customers calling the police thinking your a pervert.

I feel many builders/architects/designers don’t give a stuff. And only want someone to blame why they moved/cut your pre-wire. There defense is he didn’t tell me or I didn’t know (that’s why they don’t want to know).Even though you told the guys on site. wrote to them and tried to get a meeting with the Top guy only to find he doesn’t really want to speak to you.

Qualifying customers is essential. As everyone here will tell you must have come up against at least one customer that "thought it would do such and such a thing" when you quite clearly on many occasions told them that a more expensive system would but the one they choose (due to budget) and the proposal letter you sent them detailing the equipment to be installed clearly stated it didn’t do "such a such a thing" these customers make me feel guilty that I have failed to qualified the customers needs or that they are trying to rip me off by make me fit the more expensive gear out of my own pocket out of guilt. often the customers want the moon on a stick (the works but at no cost)

This is why many of us are cynical .Life can wear us down at times .I am all for improved standards but the change has to be slow so every one can adopt them and also so they can fit into the real world.

I am all for Mr. Mullings ideas.

Keep up the ideas Mr. Mullings I hope one day we can achieve your ideals with EVERY customer.

TIA 570-B describes how wiring enters a single- or multi-dwelling residence, how service providers should use it, what cables are for what, how they should be installed, terminated, and tested. It does describe a suggested layout for special subsystems such as home theater, security, and home automation.

This standard defines the required wiring for these subsystems, and suggests the topology design,specific applications, and upgrade methods to allow for the design and installation of most manufacturer's equipment to be installed, exchanged, repaired, or removed with plug-and-play readiness. The final product should be simple enough for a do-it-yourselfer to use and robust enough for a professional integrator to trust for his own design.

Is that short enough?

P.S. I've updated the document and added a graphic appendix. Please keep responding!