Your Universal Remote Control Center
RemoteCentral.com
Complete Control by URC Forum - View Post
Previous section Next section Up level
Up level
The following page was printed from RemoteCentral.com:

Login:
Pass:
 
 

Topic:
MX-810 vs. Harmony One
This thread has 12 replies. Displaying all posts.
Post 1 made on Friday March 28, 2008 at 20:32
supie
Long Time Member
Joined:
Posts:
September 2004
20
Hi,

I am trying to decide which Remote to buy MX-810 or Harmony One.

I had the MX-810 and traded up to the MX-980 for my Main Home Theater setup in the Family Room. I Love this Remote but this puppy is too expensive to buy 2 for the Bedroom. (Bought from an authorize dealer)

I have a second Home Theater setup in the Bedroom and I need two remotes for this setup. I do not need RF and considering street price on both of these remotes are in the low $200’s, price and RF are not a issue.

I have had many universal remotes in my lifetime including many JP1’s, One for All, Radio Shack, Phillips, Kamleon, Icon Remote and URC MX’s. I have never owned a Logitech.

Since I have used the MX-810 software I know its short comings.

Here are my Questions:
1. Since these are for the Bedroom I am a little concerned about the Harmony One’s Touch Screen. Will I have a problem with tactical feel vs. not having side keys.

2. Can the Harmony One do a real macro, the MX-810 has a limitation where you can only create a Macro by creating an activity, so can you build a Macro for a single key (hard or soft) in the Harmony One?

3. Can the Harmony One do macros with delays?

4. I have read that the MX-810 software is capable of more Customization, could anyone give me some a idea of what the Harmony One software limitations are?
5.Can the Harmony One automatically go to certain device page after i.e. powering on, or after selecting a device?

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Bedroom Setup:
1.TV- 40” Samsung LN-T4071F
2.PVR – Tivo S3 -- SD-1561 / HD-165 Hours
3.PVR – ReplayTV - RTV 5250 – 250GB
4.Cable Box SA 3250HD (for ReplayTV)
5.DVD/VCR – GoVideo DV1030
6.A/V Recv –Sony AV650 (to be upgraded in the future)
7.CD Player 100 CD’s – Kenwood DPJ1070
Supie
Post 2 made on Friday March 28, 2008 at 21:52
jcbremotes
Long Time Member
Joined:
Posts:
October 2006
412
Supie, I have not yet programmed the Harmony One, but I have done a several 880, 890, and 890 pro remotes. The Harmony approach is activity based. From my perspective, my programming is successful if the customer rarely (if ever) accesses device mode. Truthfully, most of my customers would have caused more problems if they did access device mode. One of the keys to Harmony programming is to put any device keys you might need into an activity. Example, when I do a network capable Yamaha amp I will put tv on/off in the network/pc/internet activity. I'll leave or turn the tv on for the activity. Once the customer selects pc/internet/usb input, goes thru the menu levels(displayed on the TV) and starts the song(s) playing, I give them the button to turn off the TV if they like. I am not familiar with any way thru a macro to have the Harmony go to specific screens, but I haven't yet programmed a One. All the punch-thru's, etc. that you refer to are inherent to an activity model. Once the activity is selected, the remote is setup to control multiple devices: cable box (guide, channel, menu, rew, ff, etc.), amp (volume, mute) as well as soft buttons for TV aspect ratio.....all without having to select individual devices. You can modify the button mapping, but the initial mapping is done by the activity model software during your programming. The 810 does this also. Hope this helps some.

Last edited by jcbremotes on March 28, 2008 22:03.
Post 3 made on Saturday March 29, 2008 at 19:21
Spoffo
Long Time Member
Joined:
Posts:
March 2008
26
One place to hear a lot of enthusiasts discuss Harmony programming and issues is the remotes forum over at AVS forum. Theoretically, it's an all-brands forum, but the content is around 80% Harmony, and a lot of it seems more from a mid-level end-user perspective than here.

Have you actually handled a Harmony? To me they feel lightweight and cheesy compared to the URC units. If you're using a 980 downstairs, I suspect the Harmony One upstairs would feel kinda second class, while the MX-810 has the same build quality as the 980.

True, you can't do page jumps with a 810 (I don't know if it's possible with Harmony) but if you spend enough time with the 810 software - especially the browser - you find you can do some very elegant things that go well beyond what they anticipate in the Wizard. For example, you can mix device controls and favorite station buttons in a single activity or program a button on the first activities page to do something pretty "Custom." My understanding is that with the Harmony, you're always locked into their Wizard software and their oddball web-based programming model.

(You probably need to post over in the Harmony area to get the equal airtime argument.)

Last edited by Spoffo on March 29, 2008 19:35.
OP | Post 4 made on Friday April 4, 2008 at 21:28
supie
Long Time Member
Joined:
Posts:
September 2004
20
Thanks to jcbremote and Spoffo it does answer some of my questions.

Can anyone else add their thoughts.

Thanks in advance
Supie
Post 5 made on Saturday April 5, 2008 at 00:10
oex
Super Member
Joined:
Posts:
April 2004
4,177
i'd do a little more leg work on your part and move up to a mx900

just my 2 cents
Diplomacy is the art of saying hire a pro without actually saying hire a pro
OP | Post 6 made on Saturday April 5, 2008 at 09:48
supie
Long Time Member
Joined:
Posts:
September 2004
20
Quote from 'oex': i'd do a little more leg work on your part and move up to a mx900

Thanks oex for your suggestion on the MX-900 (I know it is a great remote), however once having a MX-980 for my Main Home Theater and the MX-810 with a Color LCD Screens and nice graphics, it is hard to go back. I really do not think I will be happy with the MX-900.

If money were no object I would get two more MX-980’s for the Bedroom. As it is, two MX-810’s or Harmony One’s is more than I ever thought I would spend for the Bedroom.

I still hoping to find people who have used both the MX-810 and Harmony One and can make suggestions based on their experience.

Thanks
Supie
Post 7 made on Sunday November 2, 2008 at 15:50
xor42
Lurking Member
Joined:
Posts:
November 2008
2
On April 5, 2008 at 00:10, oex said...
i'd do a little more leg work on your part and move up to a mx900
just my 2 cents

I have an MX900 and we have been very UNHAPPY with it.

I spent a small fortune on 2 Philips Pronto TSU2000's that each died after a year, and a 3rd TSU3000 that also died after year. Although they were flaky, they were the only units to date that satisfied 90% of my programming needs and allowed me to completely program the LARGE screen with my own graphics. However, rather than buying yet another and have it die, I next tried the MX-900.

We were happy at first with its layout and managed to get its programming to meet 70% of our needs. However, MAJOR issues made us very unhappy customers.

- Very Slow Operation
Complex macros sent commands slowly and reducing latency only caused commands to fail. It takes forever to send a normally complex sequence. It seems it always sends commands in a slow pokey sequential manner. My wife, a technical researcher and heavy computer user, was very unhappy since it makes you feel like a slave, holding and pointing for a long time for everything to finish. I had to add a screen that said, "sending, wait, don't move". It makes you feel stupid. To turn on 3 components and set their inputs and modes, could take up to 20 seconds. With no visual feedback and no programmable beeps, that's a very long time and you feel in-the-dark not knowing if it is finished. If you did this once a day, maybe that would suffice. But in a normally complex and well used home theatre, that's atrocious.

- Bad Build Quality
After 1 year, the keys all began to die. First the Forward, then Play, then Reverse, then Skip, then ... etc. Now all the most used keys are dead. Only the activity keys at the edge of the LCD window work now so we can at least start the macros to turn on our components.

- Hard Keys are Hard to Use!
The keys, though well-chosen and reasonably well-placed are poorly contoured, the cursor pad is a curved edge diamond with sharp edges that are unpleasant to touch, and all but the programmable LCD activity keys require significant pressure to activate. The result is a crude, unresponsive "hard to use" feeling. The LCD side keys (though easy to press) feel mushy with no tactile feedback to let you know they activated. This was also very confusing to the family. You have to train yourself to work with (and put up with) this unit. That's not what an expensive piece of automation is supposed to do for you.

- Horrible Battery Life
Unlike most other pricey units, there is no charging stand nor any way to add one. You have to use 4-AAA batteries which, under normal use in a Tivo or PVR scenario, go dead in about 14 days of active use. Worse, as they deplete, the unit starts to act erratically. So, it really only works well under heavy use for the 1st week then a bit for the 2nd until it dies with a loud beep. Be sure you always have a good supply of AAA's. Even at $2 for 4 cheap batteries, that's $60/year. Recharge-ables work for even less time since they are charged so many times in one year and cost many times. By comparison, the OEM equipment remotes for our same equipment, each last many months on standard AAA's. E.g., our DirecTV HR20 PVR remote which is used VERY heavily with all the commercial skipping, replaying, recording list reviewing, etc, works like a champ on 2 AA batteries for months at a time.

- MX900 Good for What?
I think the only good use for the MX900 in a very active scenario, is as a very expensive macro start up unit after which you then pick up and use your the OEM remotes for regular operation. That is, of course, ridiculous.

- What About the Harmony One?
Having spent close to $1000 on 4 failed remotes over 8 years, we are very leary of what to try next. After reading (mostly) very positive reviews, I bought a Harmony One last night, knowing it is was nearly as programmable as the MX-900 and certainly nothing like the Prontos.

As others have reported, it was a breeze to set up, looks and feels GREAT in the hand (so far at least), it's keys are very well-chosen, and it really only took 20-30 minutes to program 7 activities that use 9 devices with its wizard.

I was really surprised that I did not have to use any custom commands to tweak anything to get my units to work. This was mostly because the setup wizard includes the setup of inputs on each of your devices.

Also, it's feature of knowing what to turn off when you switch activities was really great. I could not do this on the MX900 because it is so slow execute that I could not include any more commands in its lethargic macros.

the H1's built in help to diagnose operation problems was also surprising. As a deep tech developer, I did not expect I would to say that.

So far are only Harmony One gripes are:

1. The touch screen at the top is VERY sensitive and sometimes erratic. It is easy to accidentally hit the DEVICES soft-key at the bottom of the screen which then confusingly sends you Device List screen. Reducing the sensitivity helps but then makes some touches fail.

2. REQUUIRES INTERNET ACCESS TO UPDATE
This is our biggest gripe. Even though I am a techie with always-on Internet access, it worries me that a $250 unit REQUIRES Internet access to change ANYTHING. It's just the idea, I guess, since even as a mature adult, I cannot conceive of not having access. But it still bothers me.

So, beware of the MX-900. Even if you have a perfect unit, it's slowness, hard feel, its inability to handle heavily used scenarios, and it very high battery cosumption, makes its value very questionable in our eyes, at least.

Good luck.
XOR42 (Still searching for THE remote)
Post 8 made on Monday November 3, 2008 at 01:01
Loraquest
Long Time Member
Joined:
Posts:
June 2002
345
On November 2, 2008 at 15:50, xor42 said...
2. REQUUIRES INTERNET ACCESS TO UPDATE ...
This is our biggest gripe.

Your biggest gripe? Are you kidding me? What do you want URC to do, send you a floppy once a month?
Post 9 made on Thursday November 27, 2008 at 14:43
WC Anderson
Long Time Member
Joined:
Posts:
November 2004
139
On November 3, 2008 at 01:01, Loraquest said...
Your biggest gripe? Are you kidding me? What do you want
URC to do, send you a floppy once a month?

He was stating that the requirement for Internet access was an issue with the Harmony. Don't be so quick to jump on someone...reread the post.
I prefer RTI - THEY ACTUALLY WORK!!!
Harmony 610 (wife) & three RTI T4
Post 10 made on Friday November 28, 2008 at 09:53
Stealth X
Senior Member
Joined:
Posts:
November 2005
1,177
thanks for drudging up a 6mo old thread! i was actually taking the time to answer the OP and realized he's probably got things figured out by now!! lol
Post 11 made on Friday November 28, 2008 at 17:37
oex
Super Member
Joined:
Posts:
April 2004
4,177
On November 2, 2008 at 15:50, xor42 said...
I have an MX900 and we have been very UNHAPPY with it.

most likely poorly programmed but will address your gripes further down

- Very Slow Operation
Complex macros sent commands slowly and reducing latency
only caused commands to fail. It takes forever to send
a normally complex sequence. It seems it always sends
commands in a slow pokey sequential manner. My wife,
a technical researcher and heavy computer user, was very
unhappy since it makes you feel like a slave, holding
and pointing for a long time for everything to finish.

I have installed hundreds and never had 20 second macros. Obviously poor programming or poor logic behind the programming. Why point? Use an RF base


- Bad Build Quality
After 1 year, the keys all began to die. First the Forward,
then Play, then Reverse, then Skip, then ... etc. Now
all the most used keys are dead. Only the activity keys
at the edge of the LCD window work now so we can at least
start the macros to turn on our components.

Are you embellishing or do you spill stuff in your remote on a regular basis. I had 1 client constantly bitch about sticking keys. Guess what. Always a porn flick in the DVD player. I wonder if it really was the remotes fault?

- Horrible Battery Life
Unlike most other pricey units, there is no charging stand
nor any way to add one. You have to use 4-AAA batteries
which, under normal use in a Tivo or PVR scenario, go
dead in about 14 days of active use.

I have hundreds in the field and NEVER have heard of this. 3 to 4 months is typical. Energizers can be had for $1.50 for 4. Thats about $5 a year. For a typical remote w/recharger, those batteries last about 2 years at a cost of about $80. What makes more sense? Again your obviously have an ax to grind with the 14 day comment.



Also, it's feature of knowing what to turn off when you
switch activities was really great. I could not do this
on the MX900 because it is so slow execute that I could
not include any more commands in its lethargic macros.

Remember, its not the remotes macros but those YOU programmed. Again, you either have an ax to grind w/URC or simply have little practical knowledge in programming remotes. While it ain't rocket surgery, it does require a little thinking to make the macos as short as possible while maintaining accuracy.

As a deep tech developer, I did
not expect I would to say that.

This may be the problem, you are a self proclaimed genius. I think if your file was 'cleaned u' it would work MUCH better and have provided a decent experience not like the one you have described

So, beware of the MX-900. Even if you have a perfect
unit, it's slowness, hard feel, its inability to handle
heavily used scenarios, and it very high battery cosumption,
makes its value very questionable in our eyes, at least.

I'd be willing to bet that 100's of PROFESSIONALS would highly disagree with your assessment. Again, I'd personally like to see you file as I'm confident it's error in logic while programming
Diplomacy is the art of saying hire a pro without actually saying hire a pro
Post 12 made on Friday November 28, 2008 at 19:35
smokinghot
Super Member
Joined:
Posts:
August 2006
3,688
On November 28, 2008 at 17:37, oex said...
I had 1 client constantly bitch about
sticking keys. Guess what. Always a porn flick in the
DVD player. I wonder if it really was the remotes fault?

That is so incredibly wrong, I can't put it into words...

:>/
....Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Post 13 made on Saturday November 29, 2008 at 08:30
Stealth X
Senior Member
Joined:
Posts:
November 2005
1,177
On November 28, 2008 at 19:35, smokinghot said...
That is so incredibly wrong, I can't put it into words...

:>/

yeah jeez who uses THE SAME HAND??? lol


Jump to


Protected Feature Before you can reply to a message...
You must first register for a Remote Central user account - it's fast and free! Or, if you already have an account, please login now.

Please read the following: Unsolicited commercial advertisements are absolutely not permitted on this forum. Other private buy & sell messages should be posted to our Marketplace. For information on how to advertise your service or product click here. Remote Central reserves the right to remove or modify any post that is deemed inappropriate.

Hosting Services by ipHouse