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Info: URC's narrow band RF remotes
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Post 1 made on Thursday October 11, 2007 at 04:49
Daniel Tonks
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Which URC remote controls are compatible with the new narrow band RF receivers, including the MRF-260, MRF-350 and MSC-400/RFX-250? Use the table below to determine the minimum build date of the model in question:

Remote ModelDate For Narrow Band RF
KP-900All Units
MX-350November 1, 2006
MX-450All Units
MX-600Not Compliant
MX-650November 1, 2006
MX-800Not Compliant
MX-810All Units
MX-850November 1, 2006
MX-880All Units
MX-900All Units
MX-950All Units
MX-980All Units
MX-3000April 1, 2005
MX-6000All Units
TX-1000All Units
URC-100/RF-10Not Compliant
URC-200/RF-20Not Compliant
URC-300/RF-30Not Compliant

You can determine the date of manufacture of a particular URC remote by looking at its serial number: the first six digits indicate the build date. So, for example, if the serial number is 122905 014054 then the first six digits tell you that the remote was built on December 29, 2005.
Post 2 made on Thursday October 11, 2007 at 10:42
Herman Trivilino
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On October 11, 2007 at 04:49, Daniel Tonks said...
So, for example, if
the serial number is 122905 014054 then the first six
digits tell you that the remote was built on December
29, 2005.

Suppose that's the build date for my MX-850 remote. Looking at the above chart I see that the minimum build date for an MX-850 is November 1, 2006. If my build date is December 29, 2005 then my remote isn't narrow band RF compliant.

Or is it?

Isn't the MX-850 Editor, when kept up-to-date with the Live Update feature, capable of updating the firmware on my MX-850? And is it then possible that my MX-850 is narrow band RF compliant if I've properly downloaded my configuration file to my remote after having updated my Editor?
Origin: Big Bang
Post 3 made on Thursday October 11, 2007 at 17:03
remotejr
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Isn't the MX-850 Editor, when kept up-to-date with the
Live Update feature, capable of updating the firmware
on my MX-850? And is it then possible that my MX-850 is
narrow band RF compliant if I've properly downloaded my
configuration file to my remote after having updated my
Editor?

Dude,
Its a hardware issue not software...
You win some, you loose some...
Post 4 made on Sunday October 14, 2007 at 17:50
Eric Johnson
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That's correct. Narrow Band remotes have completely different transmitter boards.
Best Regards,
Eric
Post 5 made on Monday October 15, 2007 at 13:08
Surf Remote
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On October 11, 2007 at 10:42, Herman Trivilino said...
Suppose that's the build date for my MX-850 remote. Looking
at the above chart I see that the minimum build date for
an MX-850 is November 1, 2006. If my build date is December
29, 2005 then my remote isn't narrow band RF compliant.

Or is it?

FWIW, a remote that does not have the narrow band transmitter, may or may not work with a narrow band base station. I have a 2005 MX-850 that works fine with an MRF-350, but yours may not.

Mike
www.SurfRemoteControl.com

THX-certified video calibrator and contributing writer, ProjectorReviews.com
Post 6 made on Tuesday October 16, 2007 at 11:50
8ate8
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Exactly. I've used a couple older MX850's that work fine with the MRF-350, but a Gen 1 MX3000 (with the old usb port) wouldn't work at all with the MRF-350
Post 7 made on Saturday October 20, 2007 at 11:19
Eric Johnson
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Actually, it's more a function of your body mass, sweat on your hands and the orientation of the remote in your hand. Wide Band transmitters in older remotes simply "wander" more. The narrow band of the new receivers is a target that they sometimes may hit and sometimes won't. Best to keep a nice wide gateway for anything without a narrow band transmitter.
Best Regards,
Eric
Post 8 made on Wednesday November 14, 2007 at 15:36
clear33765
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I'm assuming the new MX-810 will work with the MRF-250 but I can't find any direct evidence stating this. www.universalremote.com only states the following...

"Range: RF - Up to 100 feet when used with MRF-260, MRF-350 or MSC-400 RF Base stations"

Can anyone confirm that the new MX-810 will work with the MRF-250?
Post 9 made on Wednesday November 14, 2007 at 22:35
8ate8
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All the remotes work with the non-narrow band basestations. It's only the ones mentioned above that work /with/ the narrow band basestations.
Post 10 made on Monday November 19, 2007 at 20:02
phil
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So I have an MX850 born on 7-10-06. It is not a narrow band transmitter so it may or may not work with an MRF260 but the MRF250 that it will work with is discontinued?
"Regarding surround sound, I know musicians too well to want them behind my back."
-Walter Becker
Post 11 made on Monday November 19, 2007 at 21:23
OTAHD
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Use an MRF-300.
LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!
Post 12 made on Wednesday November 21, 2007 at 21:21
phil
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Disty website shows MRF300 disco'd also. A#% and A^#%.
"Regarding surround sound, I know musicians too well to want them behind my back."
-Walter Becker
Post 13 made on Sunday December 2, 2007 at 12:22
cleblanc
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I just got a new MX-810 remote and the MRF-260 base station. I have had MX remotes before but this is the first time I've tried to use RF. I cannot get the remote to operate in RF mode no matter what I try. The status light will glow red when a TV button is pushed but it will not control the TV unless the remote is directly pointed at the IR sensor. I cannot get any component to work in RF mode. I have checked the software of the MX810 and both the software and the 260 receiver is set to ID1. Also the TV is set to Line 1 instead of All. Anyone have any ideas? I am extremely frustrated that no matter what I do, the remote will not operate in RF mode.
Thanks in advance!
Post 14 made on Sunday January 6, 2008 at 19:00
phil
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Set the remote's RF id to anything except 0. 0 is the RF sniffer mode and cannot be used for transmission of signals.
"Regarding surround sound, I know musicians too well to want them behind my back."
-Walter Becker
Post 15 made on Saturday February 9, 2008 at 22:48
cassidycaid
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On January 6, 2008 at 19:00, phil said...
Set the remote's RF id to anything except 0. 0 is the
RF sniffer mode and cannot be used for transmission of
signals.

I don't think that is exactly true.

Unless I'm too drunk, I was under the distinct impression that you could transmit signals fine on channel 0, just no IR routing and no front blaster control.

In fact, you can set the marantz pronto clones to RF and a 250 set to channel 0 will pick it up and transmit the IR.

:)
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