On February 6, 2009 at 02:27, mcn779 said...
smokinghot when I opened that page the link isn't active
in either Opera or IE so I thought it was dead I didn't
think to C&P SORRY!
My bad... I knew that it needed to be pasted. Should have mentioned it.
The blog and the list are two different entities. Where
did the blog came up with his number is beyond me and
he substaniates nothing. The web site with the list (Matthew's)
is very extensive but I found no tally of deaths due to
religion. If nothing else thanks for the link to the
second site - some amazing stuff on it.
I assumed (not meaning to make an
ass of
u and
me) that he took the conflicts/wars that were religiously based, and did the math. So you could discount or include based on your opinion. Whether he used the universally accepted religious conflicts...I don't know. So for sake of arguement...lets give it a +/- of 200mil.
I'm was talking just this century and his list (Matthew's)
encompasses from the beginning of written history lets
compare apples to apples.
The detailed link uses italics to separate conflicts pre 20th century. If you would like to run through them all and double check his findings...have at er. :) You could say the last 20yrs if it suits your arguement, but lets just stick to the records we have at our disposal. If that means having to include details before the 20th century, does it make it any less viable an arguement...? I'm pretty sure I didn't give a time line. Besides with the advent of global warfare, something like the crusades simply couldn't happen this day and age.
As far as saying religion was evil you made the comparison
"The positives of religious belief have come no where
close to the negatives." so we are arguing semantics here.
You certainly could say that. Many positive things have been done by religious groups. I happen to put great value on a human life, so it would take a great deal to even compensate for one.
We can't ever say if those atrocities would or wouldn't
have happened is a priest were in control. What we do
know is that they were done by people that had no religion
(Biblical). While davidcasemore brought up those quotes
from Hitler he neglected to check out what the Bible says
about this "They claim to know God, but they deny him
by what they do." Titus 1:16 So that excludes Hitler.
Well, we'll have to disagree on this one. The "words of god" are interpreted differently by many, depending on the belief system, or one of it's sub groups. Whether or not you happen to agree on Hitler's take on the bible, has no bearing on his motovations. Religion is a belief of a higher power guiding us. That might not be the same higher power as yours, and may have different teachings as such, but it's still belief in something greater, and should be taken as equally as your own.
The Crusades were over a span of 200 years from 1095 -
1295 of there about. The Khmer Rouge killed more than
that in 3 years.
Jabbing someone with a spear or cutting them down with a sword takes time.
But again I'm sorry for the mix up on the link!
Marc
hey... nice to be civil with you.
Jarrett
Last edited by smokinghot
on February 6, 2009 03:15.
