I was talking about a remote I had already bought on ebay, if it was not new you sure could not have ever known, it looked like I opened it for the first time when I got it, it even still had the seal wrapped batteries. It was advertised as "used once" sure did not look that way as it seemed to be new in every regard. I got the MX-850 for $100.00 and it has been great. I also own an MX-800/MRF-200 combo, I paid only $219 for the combo at Comp-U-Plus.