I guess guys, but I would still like to see how these systems compare with some of the name brand. It sounds like some of the white van guys feel that they have quality products while others feel pretty shady about the whole situation. It could merely be that these companies have not broken through the proverbial door into the maistream market place. Maybe their stuff is crap, we can assume it has all of the sound quality of a can plugged into a wall outlet, or we can be a bit more open minded about how difficult the market can be. Companies are always trying to figure out ways to get their products to consumers, some just dont make the best choices.