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Post 30 made on Saturday January 27, 2007 at 19:26
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December 2004
On January 27, 2007 at 14:56, Anthony said...
Depends what you mean. If you want Sony movies = 0, Disney
=0, Fox=0, MGM=0, LG=0 plus every studio that belongs
under those names

As for HD DVD as a whole, my guess less then 1y before
HD DVD starts losing support

I doubt that.
I was just paraphrasing. But the signs and the articles
are all there for you to get the history if you feel like

No they donít Toshiba just said 51 is doable and we will
bring it in front of the DVD forum soon the same way they
have been saying 45GB is doable and that they will bring
it in front of the DVD forum soon for the past 1.5 years
+. Also you better hope it does not because if it does
your player is useless.

We? I don't get it.
If it does not the why BS that it is here now? Funny how
I do not go around talking about 200GB BD even though
they have been proven (something the 51 has been done

200GB has been done?

It is a good example. No lossless audio video compression
artefacts, and when it will be released in Europe it will
need to drop some of the features you mentioned because
they will need to add more lossy languages.

I don't live in Europe.
Try here [Link:]
they replicate both

class="box-2">bgcolor=#fff8c0> bgcolor=#fff8c0>$1.69 ea
color=#ffffff>HD DVD Replication color="#FFFFFF">Single Layer
5,000 Discs$1.99
10,000 Discs$1.55
$1.85 ea
$1.45 ea$1.69
100,000 Discs$1.35
$1.55 ea

class="box-2">width="84">Single Layer
color=#ffffff>Blu-Ray DVD Replication
$1.99 ea
$1.79 ea
$1.59 ea
$1.49 ea

3 million for a BR replicator and 100 thousand for an
HD-DVD replicator is a huge difference.

so you found one bd article? Why donít you try asking
replicators that have both? Late 2005 Cinram said that
BD was a bit more expensive but that it costs around the
same as HD DVD. They are both around 1M$. The 100k should
be 200k and that is to modify a DVD line into n HD DVD
line on the other hand the cycle time is around 1/2 and
the reject rate is much higher. At least according to
Cinram (that does the replication for Fox and WB) these
donít make sense because the profit in a year from new
lines should more then cover the initial price difference.

No it is not. Itr is an excellent player, but not the
best. It comes out ahead of the Samsung but behind the
rest. If you mean best by best selling, then yes it is,
but the add-on is the best selling HD DVD player and that
is even more sad

Yes there are only a few replicators and some of them
donít want to replicate porn. So Digital Playground decided
to do HD DVD first (while looking) and Vivid decided not
to go public with their info to have an advantage over
their competition

You blast the PS3 for being the best player and then you
say BD machines are more expensive.

Actually I do consider the PS3 a gaming machine, which also plays BR discs.
I'm not a gamer. So I really have no interest in it or the Xbox add-on.
check again go with any retailer or all grouped together
you will see BD has been outselling HD DVD for over a
month now.

Over a month? Wow. I am impressed.

Show nme a link
But 9M 360 does not mean 9M idiots willing to spend their
money on HD DVD nor 9M add-ons to be bought if the idiots
did exist. As for BD the number is just under 2M (if
not over by now) Where the hell did you get such a ridiculous
number from. There where 250k sold in the US the first

2 mil shipped maybe, but not sold.
Read this if you want:
In the Portland area I ask every employee at the stores I frequent how each gaming system (and the Xbox add-on) are selling. Been doing this weekly. Xbox add-ons are selling ok and the PS3's are gathering dust.

Now that shows delusion. You said 250k PS3 (even though
much higher) and we know there were only 175k HD DVD players
(including add-on) we did not add the stand alone BD players
to the mix and yet you can say in HW HD DVD has outsold

Why not, that will be a good use of it :). If someone
is interested in upconverting DVDs they can spend much
less and get a better machine. Also letís say HD DVD
does dissapear, what will you do? Go back to DVD or go
buy a new HD player to enjoy HD movies. If you buy a new
player will you keep your HD DVD for upconverting or will
you use that one player for DVDs and BDs? Not to mention
that even if HD DVD is still around if they move to 51GB
disks you still have a useless machine

I consider my purchase as a consumable. And one I'm really enjoying at the moment.
Hell, I might go back and watch one of my 800 Laserdiscs. And I still do watch one from time to time. Just because a format dies is no reason to bail.
Well I have a Samy and a PS3. On the other hand I recommend
to the guy a PS3 because a t the end of the day he will
still have an exceptional gaming machine. But if that
happens it means the dream of HD disks is dead so we are
all losers.

We might all lose anyway if it becomes a niche market and another superior technology comes along that the consumers get convinced they need.

Paramountm, New Line and Warner all three from studios
also supporting BD. Warner has in the past hampered BD
because it did not want to make the BD better but even
that looks to be changing. So you can have your crappier
versions while I have my better ones.

My crappier version of Aeon Flux or Superman Returns?
On the other hand

Rocky (MGM), Terminator (LG), Spiderman(Sony), Star Wars
(Fox), Cars(Disney)
Are BD and not HD DVD

You got me there. Star Wars and Spiderman in particular.
Never said things were perfect. Actually BR has quite a few titles I want on HD-DVD.

I do have a lot of respect for the studios that chose to support both sides.

A few parting thoughts:

Price of standalone HD-DVD players are much cheaper and you get much more for that lower price.
Some of the things you get "extra" with a HD-DVD player over a BD player are the new advanced HD audio decoders built into the players, because they are required as part of the format.
Better interactivity that is available with ALL HD-DVD players because they are mandatory from the start. BD players sold now will not be able to do everything that the format will/could provide because the BDA decided to create 4 different profiles of players (3 video/1 audio).
Better average PQ with HD-DVD over BD that looks not only more detailed but looks smoother with motion.

You got me going on this because you said HD-DVD is pretty much dead. I adamantly disagree with that statement. And will continue to disagree with that statement until it is dead (:

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