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Denon Volume "racing"
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Post 1 made on Thursday December 22, 2005 at 01:11
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Using T2+ remotes and RP6 units.... has anyone found a good way to get steady volume up and down on Denon receivers?

If I set any delay (even 0.1 secs) between commands, the volume moves too slowly ( 0.5 db steps)...

If I don't set any delay, it is vey difficult to control the volume. It tends to "race" up or down at a very quick speed when the client holds the volume key... and this can easily result in VERY LOUD volumes which threaten speakers and amp alike.

Thanks in advance if anyone has any ideas.
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Post 2 made on Thursday December 22, 2005 at 01:27
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If you can use RS 232, you can use a command, rather than a macro...and it has worked for me on a Theta CB III and a Bk Ref. 50. I would think it would work for Denon as well.
OP | Post 3 made on Thursday December 22, 2005 at 01:32
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can you be more specific?

I've thought about using flags in the RP6 to "step" to certain volumes (ie 3 db steps), via RS-232 but haven't experimented with this idea yet.

I've tried using the RS-232 volume up command (i think it was MVUP or MV++) and it was too slow.

Could you please ellaborate?
Thanks
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Post 4 made on Thursday December 22, 2005 at 01:34
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I dont work with Denon but you could try to increase the number of repeats on the command and then put in your .01 delay you would have to work out the timing to get it to a reasonable increase or decrease.


dont know if it will help but its all i got



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Post 5 made on Friday December 23, 2005 at 00:25
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Don't add the RS232 as a macro but as a command. Check sustain, and then have a short interval between repeats. Works fast. Macro is very very slow on the vol up and down buttons.
OP | Post 6 made on Sunday January 1, 2006 at 14:53
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If anyone is interested, I found another way of solving my problem.

Using a T2 or T3 and an RP6 module, with CM232 for control of the Denon receiver.

I set up macros for volume up and volume down. In each macro, I used a system of flags (i used flags 28-80). The remote calls the macros. In each macro, I use the flags to determine the current volume, and using 2db steps I am able to get a pretty smooth volume control. Also, you can limit the lowest and highest volume using this method.

I also created macros to fade to a certain volume level. The macro determines automatically if it needs to fade up or down to reach the desired level. I use this feature FADE the volume down to a comfortable level before turning off the receiver. Alternatively, you could have the receiver fade DOWN when changing activities.

Kind of neat, but takes a bit of work. I could send an example of the programming to any of you upon request.
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OP | Post 7 made on Sunday January 22, 2006 at 01:35
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On December 23, 2005 at 00:25, Cougmeister said...
Don't add the RS232 as a macro but as a command.
Check sustain, and then have a short interval
between repeats. Works fast. Macro is very very
slow on the vol up and down buttons.

THANKS ALOT!

I read your response awhile ago.. but didn't really get what you meant. Believe it or not, I'd never placed a single RS232 command on a button before... and thought you always had to do it in a system macro.

If anyone ever runs into this again:

1) select a button -
2) edit properties.
3) set to RF
4) use the RS232 tab in the "properties" window for the button.
5) Add the Volume up RS232
6) Make sure you check the "sustain" box.
7) Set a 0.1ms delay between repeats.

WORKS AWESOME.
Thanks again
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Post 8 made on Sunday February 26, 2006 at 08:38
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On January 22, 2006 at 01:35, fluid-druid said...
If anyone ever runs into this again:

1) select a button -

2) edit properties.

3) set to RF

4) use the RS232 tab in the "properties" window
for the button.

5) Add the Volume up RS232

6) Make sure you check the "sustain" box.

7) Set a 0.1ms delay between repeats.

I'm programing a B&K AVR 507 with a T2 and an IRF6 and I'm having the same problem with the volume not ramping, but I can't find a sustain box in the T2 software any suggestions?
fluid-druid would you mind to send me a copy of the work around you did with the flags?. Thanks in advance.
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Post 9 made on Sunday February 26, 2006 at 12:14
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T2 software does not have flags or give you the ability to sustain RS232. The only sustain is with the IR codes. Right click the command, edit properties, Infrared, check the sustain box.
Post 10 made on Sunday February 26, 2006 at 19:20
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I didn't realize that the T2 software doesn't have flags either. In this job I have two AVR507 connected to the same IRF6 in different ports; straight with a cable from the IRF6 to the IR port in the rear of the 507. For some reason if I have one of them connected(don't matter which one) it works fine but once I have both of them connected at the same time they don't work any ideas?
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Post 11 made on Monday February 27, 2006 at 02:15
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Try using two different emitters on the front of each unit or one emitter and one direct rear connection.
Post 12 made on Monday February 27, 2006 at 06:53
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That is not a problem. I was trying to give the rack a cleaner look since we currently stick all our emitters inside the equipment. But the problem is the rack is inside a closet and the front of it is really colse to the closet's door and even with the emitter inside the receiver could be some IR leaking out of the receiver's front panel bouncing back to the other two B&K receivers in the rack(507 & 202), also the design of the B&K front panel don't allow the use of the Xantech's emmitter shield with a clean look.
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Post 13 made on Monday February 27, 2006 at 18:31
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On February 26, 2006 at 19:20, flcusat said...
I didn't realize that the T2 software doesn't
have flags either. In this job I have two AVR507
connected to the same IRF6 in different ports;
straight with a cable from the IRF6 to the IR
port in the rear of the 507. For some reason if
I have one of them connected(don't matter which
one) it works fine but once I have both of them
connected at the same time they don't work any
ideas?

I'm not familiar with these units, but 'll bet that when you plug into the direct IR input in the back, it disables the front IR receiver.
Post 14 made on Thursday March 2, 2006 at 02:19
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I have found that Denon receiver volume continues to increase after letting go of the remote button, whether the factory remote or a learning remote. Tell the client this. It will make them approach volume with a bias toward caution, and they will soon be controlling it without the problem.
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OP | Post 15 made on Saturday March 4, 2006 at 04:45
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On March 2, 2006 at 02:19, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
I have found that Denon receiver volume continues
to increase after letting go of the remote button,
whether the factory remote or a learning remote.
Tell the client this. It will make them approach
volume with a bias toward caution, and they will
soon be controlling it without the problem.

Not a problem anymore for me with Denon, cuz I now use RS232 and it works fantastic.

But Flucat is using B&K
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