Very well put.

I understand your point.

There will always be someones differing view, whether they are the manufacturer, dealer, or consumer. The facts, however, remain the same. There will always be people who are unhappy.

Just because a corporation wants to do things their way doesn't mean the consumer has to follow suit. Likewise, a corporation doesn't have to make a product that consumers like. Dealers on the other hand are bound to the rules the corporation sets if they want to carry their product. That is the business model you accepted to buy into and you cant bind the consumer to your wishes or one will likely find out what happens the hard way. The consumer has rights both federally and statewide that gives them much more freedom and flexibility to do what they want with a product they legally purchased.

There will always be another RTI like company lying in wait to test the viability of their product and alternative business model(s). Dealers just need to be flexible as times are rapidly changing in all professions. Ones failure to recognize that and adapt will surely leave its mark. It is true in medicine, electronics, cars, etc. One just needs to embrace the changes that are before us and make the best of them.

The innovators are already many steps ahead of all of us. Soon, most standard devices will be able to be controlled via IP with POE as needed (many already are). Devices will be auto recognizing and integrating into systems for you. Sort of like USB drivers with OS's but more sophisticated. Many new devices have built in self learning features that adjust their internal program as it learns the needs of the user.

My point, adjust for the future and keep an open mind. Giving a few pointers to a few people here and there requires very little effort and goes a long way to building trust and respect. It just found it outright rude the way many people on forums feel they can flame anyone they want and get support from others for their bad behavior. If you are a great programmer and installer, your work will speak for itself and I am sure it will be worth the price you charge.

Peace to all!

BTW - I think RTI has the best shit and I would buy their product any day. It is rock stable. I also love the T2C+ remote, Zigbee, and the XP8 processor. Two way over Ip is da shit. Can't wait to add POE camera's around my house to watch the grass grow :)

thehaus

Well stated!!

I love how everyone is trying to find out where people are getting the software.. You can get it the same way you get Pronto PEP or Nevo's Studio Pro.. I think RTI will go the way UEI and Pronto went if they will only sell their products to dealers and keep their software restricted to dealers/installers.. There are a lot of DYI people who would like and capable of doing programming themselves instead of going through a dealer or installer and avoid ridiculously overpriced installation and programming fees. You should have an option to do it yourself or hire a specialist right? If you cannot do it yourself then hire an installer and contact a dealer.I am a do-ot-yourself guy who has been programming remotes for ages. Pronto, Nevo, RTI. I don't understand why installers are so angry about people getting the software from somewhere else. End users dont steal anything from you installers, so don't be mad!

Back on topic though...It seems to have gotten very quiet all of a sudden on this thread :)

Who has used the iPad with the Xp processor and Zigbee and tried a Zigbee thermostat? What has your experience been compared to Aprileair 8800 with 8811 using rs232 compared to a Zigbee thermostat?

Let's see: ZigBee Thermostat > ZigBee-RS232 converter > XP processor > WiFi network > iPad.

It could work, but doesn't sound very reliable.

I have done a couple of Aprilaire systems on an iPad with no problems, but I have switched to using Lutron's thermostats, and they work great.

Do you have the source code to change Windows or Apples operating system? What about your car, did you get the software to program the ECU? Those companies are still doing just fine. Endusers are stealing from us. Endusers give the software to others illegally and with no regards to our livelihood.

I'm glad that you are a DIY guy that wants to program you're own stuff. I'm not even going to say that I can program control systems better then you. I will say that I have MUCH more experience with every remote that you mentioned. That experience allows me to make my customers remotes easier to use. If someone has done 10 T4s and XP8s they can only have 10 T4s worth of experience. I've literally done over 100 T4s. I still tweak my programming. I still want to get better. That's what makes me better. I won't stop getting better.

Now get over the fact that you can't have everything. You live with it in so many facets of your life and yet you refuse to let this go.

Good programmers don`t have to brag!!

No, but they have earned the right to if they choose to.

Actually you're kinda wrong. Good programmers need to brag some. It helps you get better when someone else is bragging about something they did and then it makes you want to do better and then you show it off. It's how we help each other without knowing that we're helping each other.

And if you notice I didn't say that I could program better then you, I don't have too my work speaks for itself. You might be the best at whatever you do. Usually you get that way through repetition and wanting to be the best. I used to program URC and was good at it too. The last system I did I felt like a rookie again since it had been so long since I had even looked at CCP. If you only do one RTI remote a year then you can't get that good. I know a guy that does a TON of RTI. But he's never done anything better then a T2cs. So whenever he has T2C's and up to do I program them for him.

I thought we put an end to this banter on the last page. Lets move forward.

Back on topic...
So, it seems like it would be too much work and possibly result in time delays and reliability issues to get a Zigbee converter. Thanks for your feedback.

It is too bad that Zigbee on RTI doesn't play with everything else Zigbee or am I mistaken. What reliable options exist other than the RadioRa Thermostat and the Aprilaire rs232?

It's not that RTI doesn't play well with others, it's that you need a driver for it to work. IN order for RTI to write a driver for a product, they have to have the product AND enough demand to warrant the time it takes to write and test it.

Keep your eyes out for a Nest driver though.

re Nest

I heard Nest made Control 4 pull their Nest driver from the market and that we should not expect a Nest driver for RTI

I hope that report is incorrect?

I love the Nest thermostat