Probably best to start a new thread for this, but I am curious to learn what is possible/has been done in the upper limits of RTI programming? I am an RTI dealer & programmer.

Well if your an RTI dealer I would get on the RTI forums where we are discussing all such neat ideas and graphic layouts etc.

I am getting RTI to react to a third party app, so in a music server app, if you select Music or Radio, the TV will turn off amp switches to correct input.

RTI reacting to weather conditions. Weather condition is sunny, depending on time and day certain blinds roll down. Starts raining ? Windows close.

Got an album playing ? Pressing a button goes to a page showing a small amount of information about the artist and cycles through 10 images or so.

I could really go on and on here, but the point made is no end user will understand the full potential of RTI like a RTI programmer.

Sounds good, I will check out the RTI forums for more info. One thing I had tried to do once but couldn't was make an outdoor screen go up if wind goes over a certain MPH.

What type of sensor where you using?

Well for all the" installers "who have negatively commentated what I wrote here, you just didn`t get the point.
I have had a lot of experience with "installers" for HT. I have many pieces of equipment which were bought from them and installed. The "installers" always gave me the Software of the equipment so I could do small changes that might occur in the future after they made the main programming. They had no problem with that. It was ok. The problem that I had was with the RTI "installer", I bought the RTI processor and license and paid a couple of hours for is labour. Then I had an issue with the programmed RTI which I wanted changed. I tried contacting him but the "Installer" never got in contact with me. This is what I mean. If you are a Enduser and you get stuck with an "installer" who decides if he is going to help or not(probably depending on how $$$ he can still make on the "old" customer) he than drops it.The "Installer" is only interested in making big money when selling the equipment and doing the main programming, but later when it comes to make small changes were he cannot make big money- he drops you! So what should the Enduser do? Of course if he is not totally untalented with programming software he will then try to solve his problem by himself. If an "Installer" would be in the same position he also would try to resolve the problem his way. I certainly am not putting "Installer" out of there jobs, they are putting themselves out. Maybe the negative commentating "installers" in this thread should think about this before they disqualify Endusers.

You can get as indignant as you want about this, not one person here who is a certified dealer for RTI will help you program for free.  This is a product that you need to attend a training session to understand how to program it.  All of the dealers here have attended this training either in person, or via a web client.  If you want to learn how to program RTI, bite the bullet, sign up for training, sign a dealer aggreement, and you will get the ability to call technical support or login to the forums on RTI's website where you can get additional assistance.  I am sorry that you had a bad experience with a installer.  This does not allow you to lump everyone here who gave you a hard time and say that we are all the same.  Time is money.  Pout in peace, or step up and be a man.

MacrossZero said...
   This does not allow you to lump everyone here who gave you a hard time and say that we are all the same.  
I did not lump anyone here, but I talked about the " installers "who have negatively commentated what I wrote", also I paid the "installer"
" step up and be a man"- you ignorant

Dealers that have signed an agreement with a protected line product, who will lose the ablity to purchase a protected line product, will not give away software that will cause them to be blackballed by distribution/manufacturer.  Deal with it.  If you want help, contact the individual that sold you the grey market items.

Listening to you guys banter back and forth with nonsensical's is hilarious to say the least. Quotes about IQ, MENSA, Dealers, Loyalty, Licensing, $$$, Contracts, Class (but no tests), Lectures, reminds me of the patients I see with chronic back pain who work as legal secretaries and think they are opera singers at their local church when you tell them you are going to give them general anesthesia and stick an endotracheal tube down their throats!

I was wishfully thinking that someone was going to step up to the plate ;)

FYI - complex menu programming, macros, and GUI's are not that hard to configure. Try typing raw assembly code.

You don't always get what you pay for, especially when the individual(s) think they are giving a quality product set by their own standards. That is why most schools and graduate programs have a peer review process and exams.

I respect that most of you all specific training and love what you. However, always remember the end-user you service. Providing a quality product, being respectful, and most importantly acting like an ambassador for the company (RTI in this case) you hold such high allegiance to is all ultimately so you can feed your families too.

I'm just sayin'

Haus,
The people here are thinking of the end user . They may seem a little mad but . I am very qualified to respond to this . I used to work tech support for a remote control much like rti . They let anybody down load the software . When best buy started started selling the remotes and charged $400 to program it . People started downloading the software and then would call to have us program it over the phone. We would not help them . They would keeping calling and get very angry with each tech support guy that told them no . They also would trash the product on the internet . So the company had to make to stop making the software available. I will give a story that I think is very similar . Me and my friend own the same car . It is a car with very expensive matnance . He could afford the car but he can't afford the up keep on the car . I knew from the Start that even thou the car was 30k it was going to cost a lot more . People are they same way with remotes and control systems

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, there will always be a subset of people who feel that if they pay for something they have a right to do what they want and often at the expense of others. There obviously is no perfect solution either way you look at it. However, there is also a subset of people who have enough skill and knowledge to buy a product and learn what it takes to maintain it. You would also think that if someone wants to put in the time to maintain their own car, others might embrace them and support them and their venture so long as it doesn't over impose. I have done lots of mods and repairs to my cars without a mechanic or dealer shop. There is nothing illegal about it. In fact, the most recent example is the recent court decision against Apple's claim that end users are not allowed to jailbreak and mod their devices. There are not that many people in the grand scheme that will want to program their RTI's. If they mess up, they will either sell the device or call/pay for someone to ultimately do it for them. It is no different than maintaining a computer. In the end, there will always be a large group of people who will need the services of a remote programmer.

I asked my doctor to give me his prescription notepad so I can write my own prescriptions. Between the Internet and reading a few books I can figure out what's wrong with me and and figure out what medicine I need.

He told me he can't give it to me because I'm not a doctor. WHAT A JERK! IM SUPER DUPER SMART!! ALL DOCTORS ARE JERKS!!!

I love your obtuse irrelevant analogy. I almost thought about it for a minute :)
Let me try and explain the differences.

The practice of medicine is regulated both by federal and state government not to mention the individual subspecialty organizations. The laws they all created are intended to regulate who can prescribe certain medications which may cause you physical harm if not dosed properly for the right medical reasons. It is there to protect. Also, some substances are regulated by the DEA (ie. narcotics, benzo's, etc.) . However, you may be delighted to know that there are many medications that used to be prescription only that you can now buy at your local Walgreens, Rite-aid, CVS, etc. (ie. Pepcid, Zantac, Omeprazole, and many more). You can even buy neutraceuticals like St. John's wart for depression (contains an antidepressant). In some countries you can get even stronger medications than in the U.S. without a prescription.

Perhaps when the RTI regulatory society or US &/or State government makes it a requirement that an individual needs a prescription for an RTI system, you can be the first to write one.

Very true, and you are more than welcome to jailbreak your RTI remote if you want. I know of a few people who have done it. They aren't using RTI's software to program it anymore though.

That is totally different from obtaining software by illegal means to bypass the trained programmer.


Very true, and they should look at other products because that's not RTI's business model. If you don't like the way the rules are set, don't play the game.


No, they will tie up tech support with basic problems and then leave nasty reviews all over the net about RTI because they couldn't get it to work correctly and RTI wouldn't bend over backwards to help them.

| It is no different than maintaining a computer.

You are very wrong. I can walk into Wal-Mart and buy a computer and the software to make it run and keep it maintained. Your computer's software is intended to be open for you to make the adjustments that fit your personal needs, RTI's isn't.

Doesn't matter the analogy. The point is simple, it's not meant for end users period.

So people shouldn't get angry when their dealer says no to them. If your dealer sucks then get another one. If there aren't any ones willing to go to you then look for one online like this place.

And my analogy was more towards the end users attitude than towards a direct correlation between the two practices.