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Controling XP8 with iPhone
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| Topic: | Controling XP8 with iPhone This thread has 14 replies. Displaying all posts. |
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| Post 1 made on Sunday October 25, 2009 at 01:11 |
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I have been doing some research and it very well may be possible to do this now using the XP8 serial macro triggers driver.
This is what the XP8 driver info says
RS-232 System Macro Triggers
This driver provides RS-232 trigger of System Macros. Baud Rate is selectable at 1200, 2400, 4800 and 9600. Parity: None, Data Bits: 8, Stop Bits: 1. To construct strings, use the word macro followed by a colon and the macro number you wish to trigger. Terminate the string with a carriage return. The XP-8 will respond with OK if it recognizes the message. You can also send the string "macro: ready?\r" to which the XP-8 will respond OK if the driver is running.
Examples:
macro: 1\r
Trigger System Macro ID 1
macro: 25\r
Trigger System Macro ID 25
macro: 101\r
Trigger System Macro ID 101
Now there are a few devices out there right now that will communicate with iPhone and in-turn issue serial commands, home seer is one of these http://iphoneforhs.blogspot.com/ all you have to do is write the system macros for the features you want and use a third party to spit out the serial to trigger those XP8 macros, [Link: board.homeseer.com]
I havent found it yet but you may even be able to do this with twitter as this was brought up in the crestron versus RTI debate
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| Post 2 made on Sunday October 25, 2009 at 02:13 |
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What about a Global Cache GC-100 unit?? It accepts IP and has 232, contact, IR ports
[Link: globalcache.com]
or the new Itach unit?? Global Caché Launches iTach Family of WiFi and Ethernet Connectivity Products New WiFi Products Connect Control Systems, including iPhone and iPod touch, to IR, Serial, and Relay Devices in Seconds
[Link: globalcache.com]
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| Post 3 made on Sunday October 25, 2009 at 03:28 |
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On October 25, 2009 at 02:13, Glackowitz said...
What about a Global Cache GC-100 unit?? It accepts IP and has 232, contact, IR ports [Link: globalcache.com]or the new Itach unit?? Global Caché Launches iTach Family of WiFi and Ethernet Connectivity Products New WiFi Products Connect Control Systems, including iPhone and iPod touch, to IR, Serial, and Relay Devices in Seconds
[Link: globalcache.com]
I thought about that but I do not believe you can control global cache via iphone when you are away from home, like you can with home seer, but it is a lower cost option for when the customer is at home, If you know more about this, please let us know?
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| Post 4 made on Sunday October 25, 2009 at 17:56 |
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too much work to get it done at this point,
its rti sourced or nothing at this point.
im not interested in double programming
a system every-time i want to use the iphone
as a controller in a home.
RTI should have been on this a while back.
for them not to see people wanting to control
the system from an iphone or from outside
the home even seems short sighted.
i know they have things in the works . .
but for any type of home automation . . . .
it really bothers me how so many
tech companies refuse to look in to the future.
every year at the cedia show,
everyone seems a year behind.
every year i ask them about "blank capability"
and they seem uninterested, and the next year,
everyone has it.
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| Post 5 made on Sunday October 25, 2009 at 18:23 |
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On October 25, 2009 at 17:56, motech said...
too much work to get it done at this point,
its rti sourced or nothing at this point.
I'm not interested in double programming
a system every-time i want to use the iphone
as a controller in a home.
RTI should have been on this a while back.
for them not to see people wanting to control
the system from an iphone or from outside
the home even seems short sighted.
i know they have things in the works . .
but for any type of home automation . . . .
it really bothers me how so many
tech companies refuse to look in to the future.
every year at the cedia show,
everyone seems a year behind.
every year i ask them about "blank capability"
and they seem uninterested, and the next year,
everyone has it.
Well i am interested in doing this and it appears to be rather a rather straight forward simple thing to do, I am sorry it is not for you, but for me there are customers who may want some basic things controlled via their iPhone so i don't see the problem with adding a few more system macros and a bit of global cache work. I am used to doing this this way as I have been in the business for 31 years now, If we wanted something cool, we used to do it ourselves, we didn't run to the manufacturer complaining, we just made it work. This is what custom installation is all about, how do you think all these new fangled gadgets came to be? Becuse manufacturers picked up on what all of us old timers were already doing and ran with it
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| Post 6 made on Sunday October 25, 2009 at 18:30 |
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sort of on topic -
Has anyone actually successfully used the rs232 macro triggers? I feel like I've read a few threads on here where people were trying it and having problems with them. It seems like it should be pretty simple. Anyone actually have them working?
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| Post 7 made on Sunday October 25, 2009 at 21:27 |
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it becomes a lot more of an issue when you cant program an iphone app on your own, and you are at the mercy of existing iphone apps. it all comes down to interface on the iphone . . .
either way,
if you are going to try it . .
make sure to do it over an IP - RS232 module
and open up the ports so you can access it over 3G . .
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| Post 8 made on Sunday October 25, 2009 at 21:50 |
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On October 25, 2009 at 21:27, motech said...
it becomes a lot more of an issue when you cant program an iphone app on your own, and you are at the mercy of existing iphone apps. it all comes down to interface on the iphone . . .
either way,
if you are going to try it . .
make sure to do it over an IP - RS232 module
and open up the ports so you can access it over 3G . .
Thats what global cache is for
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| Post 9 made on Sunday October 25, 2009 at 21:51 |
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You could use www.commandfusion.com with a global cache and learn a few system macro trigger commands. Of course you couldn't use this when you are away from home. I hope they are making a big effort to stay sorta on target for this [Link: cepro.com].
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| Post 10 made on Tuesday October 27, 2009 at 21:17 |
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I talked a little with Global Cache today and was told the Itach will work from outside the home, It will require a 3rd party gui app for the Iphone/Itouch, several were mentioned. The Itach can be bought in IR our, 232 out or contact out.
Not sure how it is set up in the home as it can be wireless or wired. Its still a new unit and no documentation is on the site yet.
Global Cache is very excited about it
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| Post 11 made on Wednesday October 28, 2009 at 19:45 |
The iphone thing could be cool. But It also came to mind that we could create our own crestron style xpanel.
Still use the global cache or whatever to spit out the serial strings
Does the global cache work serially as two way? Furthermore does to xp8 send back strings with the rti macro driver? It would be a lot of work but if you could get 2way out to a third party device we could create 3rd party touchpanels (like ELO) or just create a web based control system integrated with RTI.
Has anyone triied or thought more about this?
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| Post 12 made on Thursday October 29, 2009 at 11:45 |
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On October 28, 2009 at 19:45, tpowers said...
The iphone thing could be cool. But It also came to mind that we could create our own crestron style xpanel.
Still use the global cache or whatever to spit out the serial strings
Does the global cache work serially as two way? Furthermore does to xp8 send back strings with the rti macro driver? It would be a lot of work but if you could get 2way out to a third party device we could create 3rd party touchpanels (like ELO) or just create a web based control system integrated with RTI.
Has anyone triied or thought more about this?
I have not tried this, but you make a good point. I was thinking about using my dealer bucks to get an XP8 just to have on the bench for experimenting with
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| Post 13 made on Sunday November 1, 2009 at 23:33 |
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On October 25, 2009 at 18:30, jimstolz76 said...
sort of on topic -
Has anyone actually successfully used the rs232 macro triggers? I feel like I've read a few threads on here where people were trying it and having problems with them. It seems like it should be pretty simple. Anyone actually have them working?
Yeah we did this for a theatre controlled by an XP8 and T2C (zigbee). The third party system was a CBus lighting system that had a module with a serial out to the XP8. By pressing a button on a light switch (that the children aren't yet aware of), the client can prevent the T2C from offering the projector and screen as an option on its interface. There shouldn't be a problem as long as you double check the communication settings and pinouts on both sides.
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| Post 14 made on Wednesday November 18, 2009 at 13:48 |
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I have not programmed an XP8 before, how do you set up the RS232 Macro triggers? i have looked around the ID software but cant seem to find this.
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| Post 15 made on Wednesday November 18, 2009 at 15:04 |
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They are just RS232 comands, you can download them along with instructions from the dealer download section
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