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Crestron programming vs RTI.
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| Topic: | Crestron programming vs RTI. This thread has 87 replies. Displaying posts 1 through 15. |
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| Post 1 made on Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 10:33 |
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Hello everyone.
I am thinking about picking up Crestron. Met with the rep last week. The product seems like a good fit, and quite framkly, I can't wait any longer for RTI to ship product that they said would already be shipping, and wait any longer for 2 way drivers.
I can program RTI inside and out, and have projects with upwards of 600 system macros if that gives you any idea of the complexity. I fully understand RS232 protocol, and have plenty of custom made RS232 libraries.
Normally I wouldn't entertain the option without seeing the software and playing around with it for a little while, but Crestron won't let me demo the software, and I don't have the time to go to a crestron training right now.
So what I am wondering os if someone who does both Crestron and RTI and give me a quick and dirty comparison to the 2 programming platforms.
I've programmed on pretty much every remote platform avaliable, Yamaha RAV (yea, i've been at this a while for those that remember that), Niles Intellicontroll, all the pronto's, URC, RTI, SpeakerCraft MZC, and Lutron Homeworks.
I do think the RTI software is the nicest i've used.
So is Crestrom programming pretty easy and intuitive to pick up for someone who really understands programming? I'm really not intrested in farming out the programming to a CIAP.
Thanks in advance, and if anyone wanted to email screenshots, PM me.
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| Post 2 made on Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 10:44 |
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RTI is easier to programme and more effective (firmware issues, battery, etc) than Crestron. Sometimes Crestron indicates issues and you think that it can't be happening cause you didn't make any change to the programme, exactly the opposite from RTI.
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| Post 3 made on Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 10:49 |
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Another thing, the only advantage of Crestron is that it could be more pretty than, for examplen a M2 remote control. Crestron provides touchpanels, but RTI provides certain work.
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| Post 4 made on Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 10:52 |
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Crestron is not like RTI when you program with it. The graphics are done in a program called VT Pro, and the programming is done in Simpl. Your rep will probably tell you that you can program most systems in System builder, but you will find that simple things like building your Macro's wont be as easy as your were hoping. If you don't have time to go to a class and get the basics your gonna be lost. If you looking at Prodigy from Crestron then consider the limitations of Prodigy at this time as well. On the other hand when you do get a grasp of Crestron what you will find is that it is sooooo much more powerfull than RTI, or anything else out there.
With RTI you bassically have a great big library of graphics that you can use with the program and access to great tools like Mega Code Database, with Crestron you need your own database as Crestron's is very sparse. You will find that you will use Modules writen for devices instead of just learning some IR codes. Although some devices you can just use Deal to learn some devices.
I'm not trying to talk you out of Crestron, its a great product, But you wont jump to Crestron from RTI like you could jump from URC to RTI. there is a much greater learning curve and the Classes will help to overcome some of the things that most Crestron programers consider basic. For example On a thread in the Custom Installers Lounge, someone was asking how to upload a program to the processor. The answer most given was to use toolbox, and this is correct, but if your using a 2 series processor with ethernet how do you find the processor on the network to upload to? No one suggested that he use the Device Discovery tool under the View tab of Toolbox.
Also when you start programming with Crestron get familliar with the Mailbox freature of your processors. This is not a mail box for Email, but rather a file storage area on the processor to keep a backup copy of your compiled or uncompiled work incase yuu have a service call later and cannot find the source code you did previously.
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| Post 5 made on Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 12:12 |
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System Builder is about as close as you will get to what you are used to with RTI. Now subtract the free graphics and fully stocked IR RS-232 database.
I disagree with the part above about not being able to do easy macros. System Builder has Global Presets that make it very easy to create macros. I normally create every macro for a system with global presets then all i have to do is attach the single global preset to a button. Global presets also makes it easy for me to use an existing system to start a new project with. All i have to do is move the sources around and rename the rooms.
IMO SystemBuilder gives you the ability to provide an RTI feature set with Crestron hardware.
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If you plan to move beyond System Builder you will definitely need to take classes.
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| Post 6 made on Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 17:03 |
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Thanks guys,
It's not that i'm opposed to taking classes, and I will if this is the direction we go.
Just trying to get a feel for the software without being able to see/demo it.
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| Post 7 made on Wednesday October 21, 2009 at 19:48 |
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You think RTI is the only company that delays the release of product?
With Crestron, even if a product is released on time (usually not), Unless you know how to program with simple, your not going to be able to use it with System Builder. Crestron's iPhone app, is only halfway working with System Builder (and the App is $100) the free app isnt supported yet in System Builder. However, you can still use RTI with Crestron (one way) I have that at my house. its just like RTI RF (nearly flawless working conditions) using a Crestron 433 RF Gateway. so you build your macros in Crestron and just use join numbers to set off the commands and macros.
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| Post 8 made on Thursday October 22, 2009 at 14:38 |
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On October 21, 2009 at 10:49, fabian.segal said...
Another thing, the only advantage of Crestron is that it could be more pretty than, for example a M2 remote control. Crestron provides touch panels, but RTI provides certain work.
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RTI has touch panels, and how can Crestron be more pretty than RTI? are you talking physical hardware or graphics.
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| Post 9 made on Thursday October 22, 2009 at 14:44 |
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I am confused, what can Crestron do that RTI wont be able to do say 6 months from now? We will have a pile o more drivers and a do it yourself driver builder shortly after that. an iPhone interface, new 7 inch and 10 inch touch panels, a PC control interface and so on, so what is it that Crestron can do more or better?
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| Post 10 made on Thursday October 22, 2009 at 17:37 |
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LOL.. i will make a list for you in 6 months.. or maybe 8.. or 12..
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| Post 11 made on Thursday October 22, 2009 at 18:51 |
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On October 22, 2009 at 17:37, 39 Cent Stamp said...
LOL.. i will make a list for you in 6 months.. or maybe 8.. or 12..
OK but i have looked at most everything that Crestron claims and most all of that can be done now or within the next 6 months with rti
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| Post 12 made on Thursday October 22, 2009 at 19:05 |
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I used to think that way but i see something new and exciting at each new Crestron project and we haven't even gotten into DigitalMedia or any of the new toys from Crestron.
We sell RTI as a one way remote with Crestron so i cant comment on RTI's capabilities. All i can say is that i am amazed at the logic involved in automating specific tasks with Crestron. Something simple that we have been doing lately that i really like is having the door bell switch all the video capable touchpanels and TV's over to the front door camera when pressed and then they time out after a given period of time. Some clients choose to only have the TV;s that are already On switch over and some clients want all the TV's to turn on and switch to the camera and then shut off after a given period of time. You can have it behave differently based on time of day also and this is just the door bell. This is all done with Crestron products so its plug and play and has 100% reliability.
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| Post 13 made on Thursday October 22, 2009 at 19:22 |
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No one can speak for the future of what RTI will have in six months, but I doubt they will have their own media servers like the ADMS from crestron. RTI makes a sweet remote, and I use the T2c with the Crestron processor quite often. Besides the TPMC3x, I cant say that crestron has a nice hand held remote. Crestron processors are second to none, and when your doing a system you can get almost anything you need from Crestron and know that it was designed to work with your system. I believe Crestron to be light years ahead of RTI with the amount of products they offer, but that doesnt mean that RTI doesnt have some of the best if not the best had held controllers on the market. I would set a T2c or T3v in front of any client and feel good that they would be impressed with the remote. On the other hand I wouldn't allow a TPMC4x in my show room. When it comes to pannels I have to give it to Crestron. Processor to Crestron, Digital Amps to Crestron, Lighting... and so on.
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| Post 14 made on Thursday October 22, 2009 at 19:42 |
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On October 22, 2009 at 19:22, shudabo said...
No one can speak for the future of what RTI will have in six months, but I doubt they will have their own media servers like the ADMS from crestron. RTI makes a sweet remote, and I use the T2c with the Crestron processor quite often. Besides the TPMC3x, I cant say that crestron has a nice hand held remote. Crestron processors are second to none, and when your doing a system you can get almost anything you need from Crestron and know that it was designed to work with your system. I believe Crestron to be light years ahead of RTI with the amount of products they offer, but that doesnt mean that RTI doesnt have some of the best if not the best had held controllers on the market. I would set a T2c or T3v in front of any client and feel good that they would be impressed with the remote. On the other hand I wouldn't allow a TPMC4x in my show room. When it comes to pannels I have to give it to Crestron. Processor to Crestron, Digital Amps to Crestron, Lighting... and so on.
I am still confused? As far as processors go, the XP8 is pretty amazing. Digital amps- No one can beat Audio Contols products. RTI works with anybodys matrix switchers, lighting systems, several HVAC and security systems, there are tons of sensors out there that will work with RTI, and its all very reliable, so I am still trying to understand, what specificaly can Crestron do that RTI cant do?
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| Post 15 made on Thursday October 22, 2009 at 19:49 |
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