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Post 1 made on Friday August 21, 2009 at 19:53
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So whats up with the write your own drivers rumors floating around, I head some one here earlier who claimed to be doing just that, any new information of this?
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Post 2 made on Saturday August 22, 2009 at 08:10
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I hope so...
Post 3 made on Saturday August 22, 2009 at 08:49
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I really wouldn't get too excited. There has been one preson I know of who has been able to do it. That being said. RTI won't even let manufacturers participate in their driver development, so I doubt they will let CI's any time in the near future.

Last I heard it would be a year before the software was made 'open"

If they do, I hope they make the CI who wants to do so sign a waiver that they waive their right to all 2 way tech support, because there's no way that RTI could handle all the calls. They can barley keep up right now.
Post 4 made on Sunday August 23, 2009 at 16:53
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When they do make it "open", it will only be to CI's who can handle it, not open to everyone.
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Post 5 made on Sunday August 23, 2009 at 17:00
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I really wish there was a quicker path here:

Denon AVP drivers work great: but not on a Denon TU-604CI tuner which uses the same codes but the unit address is different: someone should be able to look at the strings and make the changes easily

at this rate I will never get the drivers for this tuner
Post 6 made on Sunday October 25, 2009 at 22:58
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You could, but their .rtidriver files are partially encrypted, I think it's UTF-8 encryption? Haven't been able to decode it yet.......

Which may be a waste of time anyway, as I've heard through the grape vine, that RTI have changed the whole back end for the 2 way communications.

I hope they hurry up, or at least release information on how to go about it, there are plenty of talented people out here that could do it.
Post 7 made on Monday October 26, 2009 at 07:19
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I played around with editing the drivers a few days after they came out and hit a mostly dead end.

However, if you use some sort of hex editing program, you can edit stuff as long as you don't change the number of characters in the whole driver. I was able to make changes to the titles of some of the variable names as they show up in ID, but that's about it. I assume it would probably work the same if you went in and edited strings, as long as they stayed the same length.

I remember trying a bunch of different programs to do this, but I'm pretty sure the one I ended up using was called HEX edit.
Post 8 made on Monday October 26, 2009 at 10:28
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They have only one guy writing the drivers (maybe two) and that's why they are backed up. Because of the future release of the RPZ-6 things have come to a grinding halt. I understand their concern for letting people write there own drivers but they should take the policy that if you write your own driver you will not get 2-way support. It's like they are feeling their way through this transition and waiting to react. Oh the zigbee doesn't work let try this or the driver doesn't work lets update this. I hate to say that C4 is looking better every day. At least they are in charge of their destiny!
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OP | Post 9 made on Monday October 26, 2009 at 15:43
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On October 26, 2009 at 10:28, drewski300 said...
They have only one guy writing the drivers (maybe two) and that's why they are backed up. Because of the future release of the RPZ-6 things have come to a grinding halt. I understand their concern for letting people write there own drivers but they should take the policy that if you write your own driver you will not get 2-way support. It's like they are feeling their way through this transition and waiting to react. Oh the zigbee doesn't work let try this or the driver doesn't work lets update this. I hate to say that C4 is looking better every day. At least they are in charge of their destiny!

This is an interesting view above.

RTI's systems as a whole work great, some of the extra features need massaging, and there are not a whole bunch of drivers available yet, but so what, these system are meant to be in operation for years, and so any subsequent improvements are just another path to offer additional sales to existing customers down the road. Most of our business lately has been repeat business, when I tell them, hey we have new goodies for your RTI system they get excited, because they feel they made a wise original investment in RTI. A lot of people a wary of making these purchases simply because they are concerned the products they buy will become antiquated and useless when the new models come out, so it is great when you can say, your investment will continue on as there are continual improvements being made that are compatible with your current system.
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Post 10 made on Monday October 26, 2009 at 18:14
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I think you are putting a very positive spin on this... At the end of the day, two way has been released and drivers are practically non-existent.
Ive been really disappointed at how slowly the drivers are being released and some big names arent included (eg. Request, Netstreams, etc.) Why have they bothered with releasing silly things like Matrix Switch drivers when there are so many audio / video related drivers needed. There are always such huge delays in releasing anything, with some items being cancelled (like I believe their audio / video matrices are being?!?!)
Pronto are miles ahead when it comes to empowering their installer base - in my
opinion, its a shame that RTI dont take a page out of Phillips' book.

Dont get me wrong, RTI are one of the best from a hardware point of view, but this whole delay in drivers thing is driving (excuse the pun) me crazy. I wish they would keep releases to themselves until they are almost ready rather than wetting our appetites and then disapointing.

Just my two pennies worth..
OP | Post 11 made on Monday October 26, 2009 at 22:14
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2 way is not a prerequisite for my system designs, it is simply a luxury. I am more than happy with all the cool things I can do right now for my customers at a good price point. i have done some very large systems, with RTI, 17 plus plasmas all integrated together, with lighting control, motorized blinds and everything else you can think of, my customers are very happy, adding two way is cool but really is just fluff to me.

i am more concerned that the infrastructure works right. I have been installing RTI since the day the very first remote shipments left the factory. i have heard all of the arguments and complaints, and there is one constant, and that is there is always someone who is never satisfied. Personally having watched the evolution of this product line over the years, what we have right now compared to a couple of years ago is an awesome leap forward.

Within a year all of these arguments will be moot, but then some body Else will be wineing about something else RTI has not done yet.
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Post 12 made on Monday October 26, 2009 at 22:42
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On October 26, 2009 at 22:14, RTI Installer said...
2 way is not a prerequisite for my system designs, it is simply a luxury. I am more than happy with all the cool things I can do right now for my customers at a good price point. i have done some very large systems, with RTI, 17 plus plasmas all integrated together, with lighting control, motorized blinds and everything else you can think of, my customers are very happy, adding two way is cool but really is just fluff to me.

i am more concerned that the infrastructure works right. I have been installing RTI since the day the very first remote shipments left the factory. i have heard all of the arguments and complaints, and there is one constant, and that is there is always someone who is never satisfied. Personally having watched the evolution of this product line over the years, what we have right now compared to a couple of years ago is an awesome leap forward.

Within a year all of these arguments will be moot, but then some body Else will be wineing about something else RTI has not done yet.

Nicely said!

If you don't like what RTI is doing, you can do one of two things: Call RTI every day and bitch and moan to them, because doing it here (on a public forum) is going to get you nowhere. Complaining here does nothing but put bad thoughts in customers heads about RTI... not to mention it's just bad mojo. If calling them every day doesn't get you any satisfaction, then move to another line and see if they meet all of your expectations.

Last edited by AndyM on October 26, 2009 22:57.
Post 13 made on Tuesday October 27, 2009 at 18:29
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I hear you guys and have to admit that a working RTI system does not go
wrong but the issues for us here in the UK is that RTI sells for double what the pronto solutions do.
Its a bit difficult when selling a whole house in-wall audio system to a customer and not being able to get any metadata feedback on the remotes using the RTI whereas pronto stuff (which we dont do) is capable of doing this now..

Just want a working solution, NOW, damnit =)

Pretty Please RTI workers, if you are reading this, work on the media server control side of things as this is what makes the customers spend the money.
Rant over.
Post 14 made on Tuesday October 27, 2009 at 19:04
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RTI is a rock stable platform and I have few complaints....but I check the site frequently for more two way drivers

What bothers me is how they decide what drivers to release first: how did Kaleidescape drivers get released before dozens of other mainstream products?

Last edited by markrubin on October 27, 2009 19:14.


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