I'm asking about this in the Pronto forum, too, as it has to do with Pronto Hex Codes.

I'm redoing an old Sonance Keypad system, Year 2000 Navigators. They use a form of RTI program and can access all the codes in the current Mega List even though the "current" software is five years old.

I'm having odd results with a couple of things.

One thing is that the Mega List Select on a Samsung SIR-TS360 works as Channel Up! Stranger still, this was already in the keypad and used to work.

Sudden thought: do keypads occasionally need a power-down reset?

Edit: ah, heck, power on them was down for a half hour yesterday.

The other thing is that I can't get the keypad to turn on or off Zone 2 of the Yamaha RX-V661. That's not in the database, and I learned the commands.

Yesterday I was here without my trusty Pronto TS1000, but I had a Marantz RC5200. It learned all the codes in forms such as POWER ON, here:

9000 006c 0000 0002 007e 0081 00ba 0045

which the RTI software says is not a valid format. I was able to learn all the zone 2 commands in long form by very quick button pushes, but then they all turned out to control the main zone. Correct function, wrong zone.

I then learned commands with the RTI Learner and all was well with the inputs. But On and Standby still do not function.

Today I brought the TS1000 and got learns that work properly from the TS1000 but not from the keypad. Here they are.

RX-V661 Power On
0000 006c 0022 0002 0157 00ac 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 05f8 0157 0057 0016 0e5c
(and
9000 006c 0000 0002 007e 0081 00ba 0045 works from the RC5200)

RX-V661 Standby
0000 006c 0022 0002 0157 00ac 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 05f8 0157 0057 0016 0e5c

These two commands are identical except for a 0040 and 0015 reversed between the two, the 40th and 56th hex words. As I look at this, posted, those are the second and next to last words on the third line.

It just occurred to me to go fetch the power commands from some other Yamaha receiver as they oughta all work...I'll do that, but does anyone have any idea why these commands wouldn't work?

Try These
Power On:
0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

Standby:
0000 006D 0022 0002 0155 00AA 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05ED 0155 0055 0015 0E47

Thanks!

I tried that and had no results.

I'm about to take one keypad directly to the distribution block with no house wiring or anything else to contend with. We'll see.

I know this isn't the answer you want to hear... replace them with K1 keypads. Those navigator keypads are garbage.

galileo01,
now only one keypad is connected, directly to IR distribution. That leaves out house wiring from four other keypads and also from a keypad wire that I just realized got buried when they decided to move an outdoor zone without bothering to do more than cut and literally bury the wires.

Those codes turn on and off both zones at the same time. I'm going back to the ones I learned to see what happens. Looks like I'm well on the way here. I can disconnect that outside wire, then try adding keypad wires to see what happens.

Thanks. I might have gotten here anyway but the added codes helped.

They might be, but the equipment budget is zero. A plasma was stolen, a receiver moved...and now it's do what I can. And I can; I just have to work it out.

You may have a global power command and not a zone specific command. It may work like Denon which has zone specific commands as well as a global set. With both zones on try and manually shut down the second zone, shut down the receiver and then issue your power on command. If just the main zone comes back on, you are using a global command.

You mean galileo had one. I had discretes from the factory remote, but they didn't work.

Some time a year ago they moved a gazebo that had a keypad and speakers and just cut off the wires. After I connected directly from the keypad to the IR distribution, I realized this. I had already thought to disconnect the buried speaker wires from the amp but forgot the keypad wires. Once I did that, the Yamaha commands I had worked fine. Then another thread discusses JVC CD changer commands that I never could get to work, but at least I knew I had a good IR repeater at that point. I switched to a different CD Changer and all is well. Not solved and understood, but working.

Many thanks for your suggestions.