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Post 1 made on Sunday December 9, 2007 at 20:23
Benford AV
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Any ideas how to run a system off macro after a 30, 60, 90, or 120 min delay?

T2C & RP1 in a bedroom with a NEC monitor behind a Vutec art screen. The closet houses the Yamaha RX-V1500, Tivo, and a Phillips DVD/VCR combo.

I know the AVR has discrete sleep commands, I doubt the monitor does. These are the only 2 components I am worried about leaving on all night. If the monitor does have discrete sleep commands I could just do a sleep page with a button for 30, a button for 60, etc. If the monitor dosen't have sleep commands, maybe I can just set the sleep for the AVR, let it kill the signal, then the no signal protection will kill the monitor after a few more mins.



Now the real challenge, how do I program a timer to wake her in the morning with the TV on the "Today Show". This would need to be a macro that runs the system on Tivo macro then tunes to channel XX.
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Post 2 made on Sunday December 9, 2007 at 21:17
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It's easy. Wait for the XP8 to come out. That's the only way that I know of to be able to do it easily.
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Post 3 made on Sunday December 9, 2007 at 22:24
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That is the only answer that I know of and that sickens me. I am getting very frustrated with "wait for the XP8 to come out". I surely hope that we dont all get let down after haveing to wait years for this product.
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Post 4 made on Sunday December 9, 2007 at 23:43
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How about this...

Two 12Vdc power supplies, two diodes, and a voltage triggered AC outlet (e.g. Xantech AC1)
One 12Vdc P.S. plugged into constant power, with the positive DC leg fed thru N.C. relay contacts on the RP-6 and into one diode.
The other 12Vdc P.S. plugged into the switched outlet on the AV receiver, with the positive DC leg fed into the other diode.
Both diodes feed into the positive terminal of the triggered AC outlet, both P.S. negatives feed into the negative terminal.
Flat screen power plugged into the triggered AC outlet.

Whenever the sleep mode is engaged on the AV receiver, open the relay on the RP-6. When the receiver shuts down, power to the screen will be removed. Each power on sequence is preceded by a close relay command, with appropriate delay if necessary.

As long as the RP-6 relay is closed, power will be supplied to the screen. Otherwise it depends on the power status of the receiver.

Total parts cost less than $75.
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Post 5 made on Monday December 10, 2007 at 00:00
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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On December 9, 2007 at 23:43, estech said...
How about this...
Total parts cost less than $75.

Yeah, but you had to THINK about it and it's a Sunday. The one day off when I only got three client calls.

You can even avoid that if the TV has a power-saving or whatever feature that shuts it down when it has gotten no video for x minutes. Many have that.

For the turn-on, get a Pronto TS1000 off of ebay and program the startup macro on a timer. I think only those Prontos had timers, and they couldn't be used for SLEEP because they timed from a clock, not from a button press.
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OP | Post 6 made on Monday December 10, 2007 at 00:00
Benford AV
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estech, nice plan, sounds like a pain in the ass that I will spend hours attempting. Thanks anyway, seems like you really thought it out.


I will just have to tell the customer to wait for the XP8 or I will sell her a TV with sleep timer discretes.

Still no solution to the wake timer other than XP8?
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Post 7 made on Monday December 10, 2007 at 00:10
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On December 9, 2007 at 20:23, Benford AV said...
Any ideas how to run a system off macro after a 30, 60,
90, or 120 min delay?

T2C & RP1 in a bedroom with a NEC monitor behind a Vutec
art screen. The closet houses the Yamaha RX-V1500, Tivo,
and a Phillips DVD/VCR combo.

I know the AVR has discrete sleep commands, I doubt the
monitor does. These are the only 2 components I am worried
about leaving on all night. If the monitor does have
discrete sleep commands I could just do a sleep page with
a button for 30, a button for 60, etc. If the monitor
dosen't have sleep commands, maybe I can just set the
sleep for the AVR, let it kill the signal, then the no
signal protection will kill the monitor after a few more
mins.

Ran into that same scene about a year ago.
I ran IR and a RP1 in parallel to a Niles MSU140. I sent all the regular commands via IR and the sleep timer was done via the RP1. Set up a sleep screen on a T3 for the 30,60 etc. Once they fired the timer, the RP1 clocked away, however, they could still control the system via IR until the RP1 shut it down.


Now the real challenge, how do I program a timer to wake
her in the morning with the TV on the "Today Show". This
would need to be a macro that runs the system on Tivo
macro then tunes to channel XX.

I can't help you there.
I'll let you know tomorrow..
Post 8 made on Monday December 10, 2007 at 00:18
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Use one of the contact closures on an RP-6 to trigger a timer, when the timer goes off it makes a contact on an RTI T1 which it is soldered to, the T1 executes whatever shutdown command you want, and yes this acutaly works
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Post 9 made on Monday December 10, 2007 at 01:06
estech
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Applied Digital makes a little control processor called Ocelot. It has IR input and output, serial in/out, and a real-time clock. Teach it the trigger commands for your Shut Down and Watch Tivo macros, then use a CM232 to send ascii triggers to the Ocelot programming for any desired length sleep timer. The real-time clock can send the morning turn on command on any selected days.

It's available from Worthington Distribution.
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Post 10 made on Monday December 10, 2007 at 02:54
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I would also reccomend the Ocelot. I am experimenting with one and it seems it can give extra functionality to the RP6.
Post 11 made on Monday December 10, 2007 at 07:16
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I think he said he has a RP-1 though. can the ocelott be triggered IR or only RS-232.
Post 12 made on Monday December 10, 2007 at 08:07
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I though the Ocelot could do IR triggers. Its been a while since I read the doc.
Post 13 made on Monday December 10, 2007 at 09:16
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Hmm this ocelot thing sounds cool!

Oh and Springs you have rcmail.
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Post 14 made on Monday December 10, 2007 at 12:09
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From the manual:

"You can use IR codes in two ways with your Ocelot:
They may be learned to be reproduced later by the Ocelot, for the purpose of controlling equipment under C-Max program control.
IR codes can also be recognized by the Ocelot itself as input events."
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Post 15 made on Wednesday December 19, 2007 at 20:59
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On December 10, 2007 at 12:09, estech said...
From the manual:

"You can use IR codes in two ways with your Ocelot:
They may be learned to be reproduced later by the Ocelot,
for the purpose of controlling equipment under C-Max program
control.
IR codes can also be recognized by the Ocelot itself as
input events."

Does any one have this working yet?
I'll let you know tomorrow..


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