Springs,
When you say 0000 hex do you mean the Pronto hex from the ccf's?
I understand that a spreadsheet-style format may be easier to use when cuting and pasting code to RTI, URC, etc. than opening up PrintoEdit. I want to be sure we're talking about the same code.

;)

Another heads up on the new series elites - they removed the direct IR in ports at the back - all they have now is IR out (and SR+ out), which is useless.

Dieter

I think that is exactly what he means.

It is a pain to spend the time cherry picking codes from a .ccf or .pcf or converting from cryptic raw IR hex info. Some of us spend the time to figure out the raw data or decode the pronto hex so that we can use cleanly generated codes that are not subject to bad or dirty learns. I now use mostly RTI but when I was doing pronto, RTI and URC it was easy for me to make a spreadsheet and copy them where I needed. It also helped me track code changes or additions (or ommisions) from a variety of manufacturers. I admit that Pioneer gives us more than most do, however, the Pronto hex form is as universal as it gets at this point in time.

Yes, that is what I meant.
Hex format with a start value of 0000 in long form. Not Pronto truncated hex that starts with 5000, 5001, 9001 or something that refers to a database code.

i.e
0000 0069 0000 0015 005F 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0200

I was once trying to have a dialog with a trainer, "a spread sheet of RC-5 and RC-5x codes really doesn't help a URC/UEI guy. They have no way to generate or import codes using those spreadsheets or CCFs from the website. They would have to use Makehex or Decode IR and still wouldn't have codes that would import if ProntoEdit truncated them. Thats just a bit too advanced or too many steps for most URC guys."

He then said that, "you could just... download the already made Pronto files and drag it in." (Yes that is what he said.)

I tried to explain, "that the codes in the CCFs were truncated into RC5/RC5x with 5000 and 5001 start values in short form hex." This went right over his head and you could hear the boom as it went by him. "You can't use the universal browser to import codes in that form." He then became more defensive about it so I just gave up.

I gave up trying to explain / ask anything of "Product Engineer / Trainer" guy as he struck me as having that "I am an Engineer, so I can't admit I don't know something technical" attitude. Asking him questions about integration... was like talking to a 1 year old. You get words back or they sound like words... but most of it is more like belches and farts... just about as useful too.

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(Ok the above comment might be going a bit too far, but I was really irritated by the way he talked down his nose to me. And kept telling me I "didn't know what I was talking about." Plus, if I "just looked at the website" all the information was there. Hey I go to that website all the time and I DO KNOW whats on there. Well apparently, one of us does.)
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BTW, you can probably guess who that trainer was and who he works for, as every codes was RC5, RC5x, with some RC6 for good measures...

And to that trainer. I know the feeling is not mutual, but "I ain't mad at cha." I use your line as a "GO TO LINE" at work almost every day. I always spec it and recommend the line to customers and even other dealers when asked "what works well and is controllable"....

Seriously thou... Its not the end of the world to say...
"I... DON'T... KNOW."

We won't drag you out back and knee cap you or anything.

You could even give it a glimmer of hope like you will, maybe do something about it like...
"I am not really sure, but I could look into that."

ASIDE
(Thankfully there is... "THE MAN"... when it comes to IR known as John Fines. He provides us utilities to convert these codes into 0000 long form hex for importing into any sort of remote, now that they all have direct Hex input. Thanks for all your help over in the Discrete Hunter forum John)

"universal browser" what a f..ing oxymoron.

All I have to say is, make it easy and you will sell more product. Do it better than the other guys and and the CIs will recognize it.

Okay! I get it! :-)
Just so you know, all of the Pronto files are "clean" in that I use John Fines software to create them from our IR Cods lists.
These are not "learned" commands. Any of you that are generating the clean codes can stop; I have already done that.
The URC files on our use their database mostly but some commands are learned. I have to get the file posted in a timely manner.

John Fines is a wonderful gentlemen and has helped me many times with IR Code troubleshooting. Trust me I'm a hack but a competent one! I know when to say, "I don't know but by golly I will soon"!

Since I generate the codes from a list and have to cut and paste them to ProntoEdit I might as well work on an Excel spreadsheet at the same time.

Look for that in the future, after CEDIA, maybe October when I might have some evenings free.

BTW, if you are at CEDIA, stop by the Pioneer booth and say hello. There are only two John's that may be there so ask for John the remote guy and everyone will know who you are talking about.

John

I have some of this done already (excel sheets... clean codes).

I can send you what I have if that makes it easier.