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Post 1 made on Thursday July 19, 2007 at 13:12
tabascojunkie
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I had a quick question about the proposal I have on some RTI equipment. I've been reading here for some time now, and just joined so I could post. I appreciate all of the combined knowledge and helpful spirt found here.

I'm putting the finishing touches on our home theater that we have been building over the past 2 years. It's a dedicated home theater, 110" AT screen, stage, riser, etc. Everthing is in working order and we a just knocking off a few of the puch-list items. Carpeting is the last major hurdle, and we will be done.

I currently control just about all of the equipment via RS-232. Since I am an Industrial engineer, I used more industrial type of automation eqipment (PLC's, etc.) to accomplish the task. Probably a bit overkill...but I had the equipment to make use of. It all works, and works well. I have a touchscreen in the lobby that can control everything with 100% reliablity. The problem that I have is finding good remote(s) to use from the seated locations. I need a programmable remote that can be programmed to send IR to my controller to execute the macros (changing sources, system on, system off, etc) as well as control the equipment via IR (change volume, channel, etc). The RTI T3 fits the bill perfectly.

I talked to my local dealer, and tried to explain to him what I wanted. He was completely lost. To be honest, I think I knew more about the line than he did. When he came over, he was nice enough to fire up the programming software and we tinkered for a bit. I showed him that all I really wanted to do was to drag a few oddball IR codes to some buttons and have my controller learn them. I think I lost him on this. I basically set up his demo remote with theatertouch for one macro and showed in my theater that it worked. I think some are probably doing something similar with a Crestron hardware.

Anyway, Here is where he left it with me. He would sell me a T3 and possibly RP6(may eventually switch over to RF later..and the serial might be nice) at around list price (slightly higher) and setup my remote for IR for the equipment I have. He would let me use the programming software to make minimal changes, etc. to customize it for my system. If I needed to make a major change, change a component, or mucked something up, he would work on it for his normal programming change fees.

I know that RTI is protective of thier software, so I though I would ask other's opinoin of this. Is that an OK thing to do? Much thanks in advance.
Post 2 made on Thursday July 19, 2007 at 14:06
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If he was completely lost, you might consider a new dealer. It sounds like basically you are just trying to send IR codes to trigger macros built into your control processor. If this is correct, what you want is fairly easy.

The software is a little different. Dealers are not supposed to give this out. If you do get it, it sounds like you might have the knowledge to do it yourself. The problem will probably be getting the IR-PRO. It is almost as hard to get as the software. Who knows, maybe he will sell you one of these.

If all macros and commands are truly stored in your current control processor, I think all you would need to get RF would be the RP1. Significantly cheaper if you do not need the additional features of rp6.

Like I mentioned. If there are other dealers in your area, give one of them a shot.

That being said, the T3 is an awesome remote. Good Luck.
OP | Post 3 made on Thursday July 19, 2007 at 15:17
tabascojunkie
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Thanks for the reply. You are correct. The macro's are stored in my control processor. What I tried, and was successful...was the T3 > IR > IR In of my Control Processor. I learned the code in the control processor for "0" of one of the components in the theatertouch library (ADA QuadriTuner I belive). and associated it with the "system on" series of events. I then assigned it to the power on button on one of the standard templates. When pressed the Control Processor picks it up and the system comes on.

It seems I could get everthing I want working this way with just the T3 and IR. But I will probably want RF control since the IR eye is sometimes hard to hit from all of the seats. This is where I may need some help. I think I would then go T3 > RF > RP6 > IR > IR In of my Control Processor. Would this work the same way? If so, I'm not certain why I would need the IR-Pro? Couldn't I just setup the same command from the theatertouch library in the RP6? Lastly, I was considering the RP6 because eventaully I think I would want to take the IR out of the equation and connecect via RS-232 to the Control Processor. I wasn't certain that the RP1 could do serial? Thanks.
Post 4 made on Thursday July 19, 2007 at 15:29
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You would be correct in thinking that the RP-1 will not handle serial. You would have to step up to the RP-6 for that option.
Don't read my answer. Someone else will go into great detail as to why I am wrong rather than answer the original question...
Post 5 made on Thursday July 19, 2007 at 21:34
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That will work if you just use a random IR code from whatever product, then learn that code from remote into your control processor. I don't see any issues with this.

As cheesehead stated, you need rp6 to do any serial control. Keep in mind you need rm433 since the rp6 doesn't include rf antenna.

Were you understanding the software when the dealer showed it to you? If so, you might just go with this dealer. If not, I would recommend looking elsewhere based on your comment that you believed you knew more about line than him. I guess it is possible he misunderstood what you were trying to do, but it seems fairly simple to me. You are really using the RTI remote for very basic functions, not even getting close to its capabilities.
Post 6 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 09:49
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no comment.......
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Post 7 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 15:28
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You shouldn't have a problem. You won't need the IR-Pro since you don't need to learn any commands. To go to RF, you only need to add the RM-433 to the RP-6 and then change the settings in TheaterTouch.

As far the proprietary software goes, that is not really something I'm in the position to discuss. If the dealer is OK with it and you are OK with it and you agree not to distribute it, I don't see much problem. Also realize that the software does get updated, but that you will not have direct access to the update- you would have to ask the dealer to give you a new copy.

CJ
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