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Scrolling list question
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Post 1 made on Sunday June 24, 2007 at 17:21
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I am creating a scrolling list on a controller that defaults to standalone, but the specific device I am using needs to go through the control processor. When I create a scrolling list, it will not let me set it to RF. Even though I check the RF trigger code box, when I get to the list and enter a macro it is marking it standalone. I dont want to change my device defaults, because every other page and it's function will get screwed up . ANyone know how I can make this stick?
OP | Post 2 made on Sunday June 24, 2007 at 21:29
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Actually, my real question is - Is there any way to change a scrolling list's macros from IR to RF and visa versa without changing the device default ? I have a scrolling list that is using RF and I want to make a copy of it and make the copy all IR - is there any way? I can't believe there can't be, but it looks like that.... Anyone?
Post 3 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 03:23
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Unfortunately, a scrolling list ALWAYS outputs according to the DEFAULT setting for the remote.

So, to solve your problem: Set you remote to output RF.
Then set all the other buttons to Standalone output (you can select all the buttons on a page, and set them all to standalone at one time, but it still takes time).

If you have a Processor in the mix, and are going to use RF for ANYTHING, I strongly recommmend setting the remote to RF output, and then switching buttons to Standalone whenver you need to output IR directly OR trigger a system macro.
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OP | Post 4 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 11:12
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On June 25, 2007 at 03:23, fluid-druid said...
Unfortunately, a scrolling list ALWAYS outputs according
to the DEFAULT setting for the remote.

So, to solve your problem: Set you remote to output
RF.
Then set all the other buttons to Standalone output (you
can select all the buttons on a page, and set them all
to standalone at one time, but it still takes time).

If you have a Processor in the mix, and are going to use
RF for ANYTHING, I strongly recommmend setting the remote
to RF output, and then switching buttons to Standalone
whenver you need to output IR directly OR trigger a system
macro.

That's not very good. I have a remote with over 200 pages for a five room control system that's half IR and half RF. I now have to start changing all my "default to" commands to a definitive setting (stand-alone or RF trigger). Are you saying that you can't have a standalone scrolling list AND a RF trigger list? That really, really, needs to be addressed if that is correct.
OP | Post 5 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 13:14
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On June 25, 2007 at 11:12, vbova27 said...
That's not very good. I have a remote with over 200 pages
for a five room control system that's half IR and half
RF. I now have to start changing all my "default to"
commands to a definitive setting (stand-alone or RF trigger).
Are you saying that you can't have a standalone scrolling
list AND a RF trigger list? That really, really, needs
to be addressed if that is correct.

Let me re-phrase that - If you have a standalone default, you can't have an RF scroll list, and if your default is set to triggers, there is no way to make an IR based scrolling menu.
Post 6 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 16:55
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so you have a scrolling list for a zone or 3 thats rf and a zone or 3 thats ir?

i'd need info as to system design to offer help
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Post 7 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 20:08
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Not only that, but if you have set the default to RF, and the default happens to be an RP-1, you cannot change the override to an RP-6 to enable IR routing.
OP | Post 8 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 20:08
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On June 25, 2007 at 16:55, oex said...
so you have a scrolling list for a zone or 3 thats rf
and a zone or 3 thats ir?

i'd need info as to system design to offer help

Yes, I have seperate zones, but I want to have a scrolling list that is IR and a scrolling list that is RF without chaning my defaults... Sounds like this can't happen...
Post 9 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 22:07
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i think you need to have 2 identical scrolling lists. one rf and 1 ir. hope you have enuf memory if its that large. WTF would you want with a list that big anyway?

i think you need than 1 remote IMHO
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OP | Post 10 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 22:19
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On June 25, 2007 at 22:07, oex said...
i think you need to have 2 identical scrolling lists.
one rf and 1 ir. hope you have enuf memory if its that
large. WTF would you want with a list that big anyway?

i think you need than 1 remote IMHO

Why? What's the big deal if you have two scrollining lists on one remote? I could easily want to do DVD disc numbers and cable channels & XM & whatever else... Your remote either has to default to IR OR RF. The scrolling list has to be whatever your device is defaulting to. Since your device can't default to IR and RF you can only create one type (IR or RF) scrolling list regardless of how many you have.
Post 11 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 22:41
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i read your OP, i though you had a 200 page scrolling list.
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Post 12 made on Tuesday June 26, 2007 at 03:45
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Run more wires.

Put both devices onto the RP6 and use IR routing. Use all scrolling lists as RF. You can
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Post 13 made on Wednesday July 4, 2007 at 19:47
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First which remote are you using? I have changed all the properties on a T2-C in a short period of time on a 65 page layout because of needing multiple RP6's after I finished.

Next why did you not use multiple control systems so you could use RF for all? I personally use RF as a starting point for all systems and have had the best of luck. I have had the need for IR once in a while and it was very easy to make a command IR from an RF based system.

I'd call RTI tech and see what they think.

Not to be a smartass but what system requires 200 pages and cannot afford RF in multiple areas?
OP | Post 14 made on Wednesday July 4, 2007 at 21:09
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On July 4, 2007 at 19:47, krisd said...
First which remote are you using? I have changed all the
properties on a T2-C in a short period of time on a 65
page layout because of needing multiple RP6's after I
finished.

Next why did you not use multiple control systems so you
could use RF for all? I personally use RF as a starting
point for all systems and have had the best of luck. I
have had the need for IR once in a while and it was very
easy to make a command IR from an RF based system.

I'd call RTI tech and see what they think.

Not to be a smartass but what system requires 200 pages
and cannot afford RF in multiple areas

Not a matter of affordability, it's that the person has plasmas and cable boxes all over the house. There is no point in spending the money on control processors whether it'spocket change or not - the setups are very simple. There are also security cameras and some other control sysstems in place and plenty of RF features as well.

My point was that you should be able to set a scrolling list to IR or RF and it's a limitation that is not neccesary.
Post 15 made on Wednesday July 4, 2007 at 21:59
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Sorry, I did not have all the reasons you started with IR to understand your system/problem.

I don't do any IR based systems. I think if you change the default to RF though you will only have to change the few local items (TV's, Cable boxes ) to IR and it should be a minor deal. I believe RTI was basing their remote designs to use RF and IR is a second option, which is why that is so hard to do. I think calling RTI would be your best bet.

Good luck on your poroblem
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