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Post 1 made on Tuesday June 19, 2007 at 22:49
starecase
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Does anyone here have experience using RTI to send commands to an HAI panel? I want to use an RP6 (eventually XP8) to send serial commands to an Omni LT to arm/disarm the security and possibly to set heat/cool setpoints on the connected thermostat. I generally don't do RS-232 since it's not two way, but this is a little different than I'm used to. Can RTI even send ASCII commands? In the event that this is not possible, what thermostats have people here used with success wired directly to a RTI controller? Aprilaire? HAI? I appreciate any help I can get on this. I've been reading this forum for some time and always find a ton of great info. Keep up the good work!
Jason
Post 2 made on Tuesday June 19, 2007 at 22:55
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I have not controlled HAI with RTI serial but:
RTI can send the ascii commands so it should work

as a last ditch, make it work, gotta do what you gotta do, situation you could hook up the RP6 relays too a couple of spare zones then use HAI programs to arm disarm the panel depending on the relay state. not pretty but it would work.
Post 3 made on Wednesday June 20, 2007 at 02:21
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I never could get RTI to communicate with the HAI RS232 interface, I even replace the RS232 board, I tried HyperTerminal and all the usual tools, I finally gave up, If you get it to work let me know how you did it?
Never Ignore the Obvious -- H. David Gray
OP | Post 4 made on Wednesday June 20, 2007 at 08:16
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Hmmm....That's interesting. Did you find a way to integrate the two other than by serial commands (like relay openings/closures as mentioned above)? Anyone else have any experience with HAI/RTI?
Jason
Post 5 made on Wednesday June 20, 2007 at 12:17
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i typically stick to the Ademco panels for the exact problem David had, tried all the possible tricks with the HAI and nothin to show for it!

the Vista 128FP works very well, even get the 2-way feedback on the Crestron TP's...
Post 6 made on Saturday June 23, 2007 at 15:01
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Yes, you can use RTI to send commands to a HAI panel, and yes I have done it.

HAI has two RS232 protocols: Omni-Link and Pro-Link. I don't think you can use Omni-Link with RTI because it requires an authentication process that is two way. Omni-Link works great with Crestron (I done that too), and Tony Golden has some modules for Crestron to HAI integration that work great.

Anyway, on the HAI side:
1) Pick the serial port you'll use and set it to "Pro-Link". Set the baud rate to 9600 (the default). This is under the setup-installer-expansion section.
2) Create button(s) that will do whatever functions you want when activated.
3) Create message(s), basically short ascii labels that represent the functions you will activate via button(s).
4) Create program line(s) that activate button(s) based on the receiving the message(s) you defined previously.

On the RTI side, you'll need a RP6 and a CM232 module. Plus you'll have to either make a cable or buy the HAI serial to PC cable to connect the two. (The CM232 terminates in a DB15M, and the HAI serial ports are RJ11s unless you buy the optional HAI RS232 add-on board which has a DB15F connector.)
Then:
1) Create a button on a RTI page and associate a RS232 command that is the same ascii string you defined above for each HAI message. For example, if the HAI message was " Lights ", then you would have a string in the RS232 command that is " Lights\r " which sends the string and a carriage return. The string is entered without the "" marks.
2) Set the serial parameters for your RS232 command to 9600/8/None/1 .
3) Set the output of your RTI button to the specific port on the RP-6 where your CM232 module is connected.

Using this method, you can kick off any HAI button (macro) from RTI. A macro can obviously contain a single command or several. For example I've created a "Good Morning" button that sets thermostats, turns off the alarm and turns on lights.
OP | Post 7 made on Sunday June 24, 2007 at 09:36
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Thanks Boondoggle. I'll follow up and let you know how it works out. Still a few weeks out on this one.
Jason
Post 8 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 10:49
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On June 23, 2007 at 15:01, Boondoggle said...
|| On the RTI side, you'll need a RP6 and a CM232 module.
Plus you'll have to either make a cable or buy the HAI
serial to PC cable to connect the two. (The CM232 terminates
in a DB15M, and the HAI serial ports are RJ11s unless
you buy the optional HAI RS232 add-on board which has
a DB15F connector.)

Ok not to bust your balls but its a DB9 not a DB15. DB15 is for VGA video.

HAI uses a rj11 on the board which is correct. but hai also sells a rg11 to db9 adapter... how do i know.. i have 3
I don't give a frog's fat ass who went through what. We need money! Hey, Russ, wanna look through Aunt Edna's purse?
Post 9 made on Monday June 25, 2007 at 13:13
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clark is right......
Ed will be known as the Tiger Woods of the integration business, followed closely with the renaming of his company to "Hotties A/V". The tag line will be "We like big racks and tight holes"...
Post 10 made on Tuesday June 26, 2007 at 16:57
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On June 25, 2007 at 10:49, Clark W. Griswold said...
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Ok not to bust your balls but its a DB9 not a DB15. DB15
is for VGA video.

HAI uses a rj11 on the board which is correct. but hai
also sells a rg11 to db9 adapter... how do i know.. i
have 3

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah I meant DB-9.


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