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Why the Bose-bashing?
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Post 16 made on Saturday August 20, 2005 at 00:33
pilgram
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How could I forget!

I think I replied (give or take a little) "bose finally found something they could do right!"
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Post 17 made on Saturday August 20, 2005 at 09:06
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On 08/19/05 03:26 ET, djy said...
Oh goody. A "punch up". Let's start the ball
rolling then.

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Interesting article.
I remember the first time I heard 901's at the Audio show at the Chateau Laurier Hotel in Ottawa (circa 1969), and I must admit they did sound "interesting". However at the time, the speakers that sounded the best and the ones that we could hear in the elevator on the first floor ( the show was on the ninth) was the legendary Klipshorns.

I found that the 901's sounded the best when they were played at ear splitting volumes, such as at a strip club or bar. When listening to them at a audio shop (such as Wackid Radio or Treble Clef), they were not as good sounding, at least to me, and many others were far better sounding, especially in a real home surrounding with carpets, drapes and furniture.

However, the 901's were in a class of their own, but the new editions of the HTIB systems that Bose now makes are over priced-mediocre sounding systems. Then again, no one here would even contemplate buying a HTIB system from any of the other manufacturers that charge a bloody fortune either.
I say, if someone wants to buy a Bose system and they "appear" to like it, go for it.

Just my opinion,
Colin
Post 18 made on Sunday August 21, 2005 at 14:55
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I LOVE BOSE!!! Hooked up with MONSTER CABLE nothing is better!!!
Post 19 made on Sunday August 21, 2005 at 14:56
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Post 20 made on Monday August 22, 2005 at 10:53
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On 08/20/05 09:06 ET, colin.p said...
| I found that the 901's sounded the best when they
were played at ear splitting volumes, such as
at a strip club or bar. When listening to them
at a audio shop (such as Wackid Radio or Treble
Clef), they were not as good sounding, at least
to me, and many others were far better sounding,
especially in a real home surrounding with carpets,
drapes and furniture.

Doesn't anything sound just fine at earsplitting volume in a strip bar?
Post 21 made on Monday August 22, 2005 at 14:14
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Pardon? Waddya say? I can't hear for all the noise.
Post 22 made on Tuesday August 23, 2005 at 03:39
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On 08/19/05 23:58 ET, pilgram said...
You forgot:


I'm still waiting for someone to show up at my
door selling a BOSE vacuum cleaner!!!

This would probably be the one Bose product that would not suck.
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OP | Post 23 made on Thursday August 25, 2005 at 01:20
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Well, I guess I'm going to get flamed for my personal opinion (again), but yeah I do have a set of Bose here in the living room. They are a couple of generations old (circa 2000), hanging from their little wall/ceiling brackets in front of and behind me.

So here you go flamers, warm up your keyboards to get ready to slap me down for my blatant ignorance of audiophile-level quality...my opinion is: I still think they are OK. I think the sound they put out is fine. I very much like the fact that they are physically very, very small yet still fill the room with (in my opinion) enjoyable sound. [For the record, the room is NOT a dedicated home theater, just an open living room.]

On the minus side, I don't like the fact that my speaker system is not expandable and I can't for example, put in a newer center channel or subwoofer. That sucks.

So before the flaming begins, let me state that I am not an audiophile in any real sense. I could barely perceive subtle sound differences among the side-by-side speaker systems in the few demos I have carefully listened to, so I have trouble paying the big bucks for it. Maybe my hearing needs to be checked (go ahead flamers, more ammo).

The one audio feature I tend to be tickled by is to have good channel separation and the effect of sound "travelling" from one side of the room to the other while watching DVDs. Of course, I know this feature is not nearly as much of a function of speakers as it is of the receiver.

Since the wife and I are beginning to shop for our next house, let's say I have $1000 to $1500 to buy my next set of speakers (and maybe a few bucks more for a better receiver), but this time it WILL be in a dedicated home theater setting.

So here's the next question: What particular components would you guys recommend within a budget like that for a home theater audio system? (Existing system has a 7.1 receiver, 100-watts per channel by Sony and physical size is still an important consideration).
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Post 24 made on Thursday August 25, 2005 at 08:11
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Post 25 made on Thursday August 25, 2005 at 11:37
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On 08/25/05 01:20 ET, i1patrick said...
The one audio feature I tend to be tickled by
is to have good channel separation and the effect
of sound "travelling" from one side of the room
to the other while watching DVDs. Of course,
I know this feature is not nearly as much of a
function of speakers as it is of the receiver.

Actually, this is a function of the recording on the DVD you are watching. Second most important is probably placement of the speakers for accurate separation.

Since the wife and I are beginning to shop for
our next house, let's say I have $1000 to $1500
to buy my next set of speakers (and maybe a few
bucks more for a better receiver), but this time
it WILL be in a dedicated home theater setting.


So here's the next question: What particular
components would you guys recommend within a budget
like that for a home theater audio system? (Existing
system has a 7.1 receiver, 100-watts per channel
by Sony and physical size is still an important
consideration).

Well, you already have a receiver, so you aren't totally hampered by the Bose proprietary-ness. But if it is in the budget, you can probably easily do better than a cheap Sony by getting a cheap Onkyo, Pioneer, Yamaha, Denon, even Panasonic.

There's in-wall speakers as an option. Those would have no visible box.

People seem to love Rockets and Axiom speakers, including their small systems. Not nearly as small as Bose AM cubes, but definitely not huge. I still like the Boston Acoustics system that my uncle got far above Bose sound. They are barely larger than the Bose.
Post 26 made on Thursday August 25, 2005 at 13:35
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On 08/23/05 03:39 ET, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
This (the Bose Vacuum Cleaner) would probably be the
one Bose product that would not suck.

Nominated for Best Post of the Year.
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Post 27 made on Thursday August 25, 2005 at 13:43
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When we had a retail store, we kept a pair of Bose cubes with a sub on display (not for sale).

When someone would talk about buying Bose, we'd fire up the demo. Listen to the Bose. They sound fine. Switch to another brand (in our case, the Energy Take 2.2s).

Suddenly, you had some decent midrange. The voices in vocalists were much more apparent. Some instruments were obscured in the Bose and were there with the Energy. Then there is the bass. Much more, solid, deeper, not boomy, but you could tell the solid foundation was there.

With our customers, we didn't bash Bose. We just said "listen for yourself, and if you like the Bose better, then buy them." By the way, the Energy system offered more power in the sub, a true two way system in the satellite rather than two 2-3/4" mid-tweets in the Bose, and the cost was about 2/3 of the Bose system.

Bottom line: Bose sounds fine if that's all you have heard. If you A-B them with another good brand, you will probably choose the other brand and save a good 30% in the process.

BTW, we did the same A-B on Pioneer speakers that about 80% of the servicemen brought home from Viet Nam. Swore they were the best they had ever heard. These had the lattice-work wood front grilles - you old timers will remember them. We let clients listen to them and then to some newer speakers, and suddenly their old Pioneers were not the best they had ever heard.
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Post 28 made on Thursday August 25, 2005 at 14:14
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On 08/25/05 01:20 ET, i1patrick said...
Well, I guess I'm going to get flamed for my personal
opinion (again), but yeah I do have a set of Bose
here in the living room. They are a couple of
generations old (circa 2000), hanging from their
little wall/ceiling brackets in front of and behind
me.

So here you go flamers, warm up your keyboards
to get ready to slap me down for my blatant ignorance
of audiophile-level quality...my opinion is:
I still think they are OK. I think the sound
they put out is fine. I very much like the fact
that they are physically very, very small yet
still fill the room with (in my opinion) enjoyable
sound. [For the record, the room is NOT a dedicated
home theater, just an open living room.]
.....

The one audio feature I tend to be tickled by
is to have good channel separation and the effect
of sound "travelling" from one side of the room
to the other while watching DVDs. Of course,
I know this feature is not nearly as much of a
function of speakers as it is of the receiver.

Since you like the surround effect of multi channel audio, this should be another reason you don't like the Bose Acoustimass. Try this little experiment, pull the connections from all your other speakers. Just use the little spring wire clips on the back, and pop out the wires. Do this for all the speakers! Now you are running just the "Bass Module".

Watch a TV Show, DVD, etc. You'll hear the dialog just fine through the "Bass Module". This is because Bose crosses this over at such a high frequency. This diminishes the very surround sound that you appreciate! It also really screws up the ability to localize sounds, because too much of the frequency range your ears can localize is played through the fixed location "Bass Module".

My sister and brother in law are not in any stretch audiophiles. They were looking for a 5.1 setup. I did an A/B comparison for them using some old Boston Acoustics A20's (Yes, I'm still have some that I bought in the mid 80's, I did this demo last year.) and an inexpensive home made sub. They were amazed by the difference in sound. If my sister hears the difference, it is apparent to anyone!
Post 29 made on Thursday August 25, 2005 at 17:00
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Dittos to many above...was a LARGE Bose dealer for many years, finally could no longer in good conscience sell them although good $$ and easy..but like to sleep at night...at time EPI, Advent etc were MUCH better spks for less...today have a Paradigm/Denon package for <$1500 that is worlds better than the Boise(its pronounced that way why shouldn't we spell it that way)..also a servicing dealer for >35 yrs..we know whats inside!
tjg
Post 30 made on Thursday August 25, 2005 at 21:10
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On 08/25/05 17:00 ET, TJG55 said...
... Boise(its pronounced that way...

It is??? Like Boise, Idaho? (boy' - zee)
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