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Dish 4700 - Can't get any remote to work!
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| Topic: | Dish 4700 - Can't get any remote to work! This thread has 13 replies. Displaying all posts. |
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| Post 1 made on Monday October 29, 2001 at 00:56 |
YellowSnow99 Founding Member |
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I have a Echostar (Dish network) 4700 satellite receiver and I just recently bought a H/K Avr120 and I cant get teh remote to work with it and I tried every code and the auto search and still nothing.. Someone please let me know what I can do, I'm thinking about getting a Pronto or the H/K take home remote. Would either of those work for my satellite receiver and which would you recommed?
Thanks!
This message was edited by YellowSnow99 on 10/29/01 01:02.10.
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| Post 2 made on Tuesday October 30, 2001 at 13:31 |
Spiky Founding Member |
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Is your remote a learning remote? Many remotes don't have codes for satellite boxes. Learning is better, anyway.
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| OP | Post 3 made on Wednesday October 31, 2001 at 18:28 |
YellowSnow99 Founding Member |
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nope it's not a learnign remote..so what can i do?
if anyone has a Pronto TSU2000 please let me know if it works for your Dish Network 4700 receiver..
Thanks!
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| Post 4 made on Thursday November 1, 2001 at 12:29 |
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Sure, any learning remote works. The Pronto can run almost anything. I have a Radio Shack 15-1994 ($30) that runs my 4700. Also, a URC MX-500 ($150) and an RCA 810 ($40) both work on it. So does my 12-year-old Yamaha learning remote.
I'm only pointing out the others since the Pronto is generally over $300. And you may not like the touchscreen for navigating the program guide.
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| Post 5 made on Thursday November 1, 2001 at 19:57 |
Paksen Founding Member |
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Apparently the 4700 remote can be either IR or RF - at least that's what my manual says. My remote has a little UHF symbol below the number pad.
I just bought a Pronto and the first device I tested it with was the satellite because if it didn't work with that I wasn't going to keep it. It worked just fine. (After a little bit)
Beware though, the first series of tests I ran wiped out my Favorites List (however not my Timers).
Cheers,
Paksen
"It's become appallingly clear that our
technology has surpassed our humanity."
Albert Einstein
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| Post 6 made on Thursday November 15, 2001 at 15:11 |
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If the original remote lists EchoStar codes, it may be that the remote address on the 4700 is set to something other than 1. Check this in the recv setup menu. Most remotes will only support the address 1 setting.
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| Post 7 made on Saturday November 24, 2001 at 18:28 |
glendagary Founding Member |
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On 11/01/01 12:29.01, Spiky said...
Sure, any learning remote works. The Pronto can
run almost anything. I have a Radio Shack 15-1994
($30) that runs my 4700. Also, a URC MX-500 ($150)
and an RCA 810 ($40) both work on it. So does
my 12-year-old Yamaha learning remote.
I'm only pointing out the others since the Pronto
is generally over $300. And you may not like the
touchscreen for navigating the program guide. I have the JVC DISH Network receiver (with DVHS recorder built in). It's RF only (from everything I know about it). Can I get pronto pro to work with satellite receiver? How? Be specific. thanks, g
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| Post 8 made on Saturday November 24, 2001 at 19:34 |
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Glendagary,
No, the Pronto will not control ANY satellite box that is RF only. These are "true" RF remotes that send an RF signal directly to the satellite box; most don't even have an IR eye (receiver). "Fake" RF remotes like the AMX, Crestron, Lexicon, RTI, etc. will not work since they can't learn the satellite RF commands. When you press a button on one of these remotes, they simply send out a proprietary channel address via RF that the remote's receiver understands. It then maps a corresponding learned IR command for that channel and then outputs that IR command via an emitter/flasher that hits the IR eye of the device you are controlling with the proper IR code. Besides, most of these use a different frequency than the satellite remotes (400mHz and up, with many at 2.4GHz).
As far as the original question, I think northrk hit the nail on the head. It has been my experience that when people have trouble using DISH remotes with preprogrammed remotes they have their unit set to an alternate remote ID. Press the "system info" button on your remote to find out what ID you are set to. If it is other than 1, set it to 1 and try again. If it does not work, then your remote probably doesn't support DISH. Since you said it was not a learning remote, your out of luck!
I have been hired to "fix" various other companies installs and some of the problems have been with DISH and learning remotes due to the same address info. The other company got confussed since they had a file on their PC that worked at another client's home, so they determined it was a bad receiver!! The client lost faith after the replacement receiver also did not work!
FYI, all of the versions of the 47XX and 49XX DISH Network receivers that I am aware of use BOTH IR and RF (which is great...use a system remote in the theater and the standard one can be used in a remote room!). The remote that ships with it does have a "UHF" symbol, and outputs BOTH RF and IR at the same time when in the dish mode (except for volume up/down). When using it as a universal remote and selecting one of the other modes or using the volume up/down keys in any mode, it ONLY outputs IR.
randy
P.S. Before anyone responds, the description of the "Fake" RF remotes was a simple overview when using IR. Yes, I know it is more complicated and yes I know that these remotes also output serial commands (the better way to control ANY device that supports it!), so take it easy on me!
This message was edited by randy on 11/24/01 19:49.13.
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| Post 9 made on Monday November 26, 2001 at 19:46 |
glendagary Founding Member |
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On 11/24/01 19:34.37, randy said...
Glendagary,
No, the Pronto will not control ANY satellite
box that is RF only. These are "true" RF remotes
that send an RF signal directly to the satellite
box; most don't even have an IR eye (receiver).
"Fake" RF remotes like the AMX, Crestron, Lexicon,
RTI, etc. will not work since they can't learn
the satellite RF commands. When you press a button
on one of these remotes, they simply send out
a proprietary channel address via RF that the
remote's receiver understands. It then maps a
corresponding learned IR command for that channel
and then outputs that IR command via an emitter/flasher
that hits the IR eye of the device you are controlling
with the proper IR code. Besides, most of these
use a different frequency than the satellite remotes
(400mHz and up, with many at 2.4GHz).
As far as the original question, I think northrk
hit the nail on the head. It has been my experience
that when people have trouble using DISH remotes
with preprogrammed remotes they have their unit
set to an alternate remote ID. Press the "system
info" button on your remote to find out what ID
you are set to. If it is other than 1, set it
to 1 and try again. If it does not work, then
your remote probably doesn't support DISH. Since
you said it was not a learning remote, your out
of luck!
I have been hired to "fix" various other companies
installs and some of the problems have been with
DISH and learning remotes due to the same address
info. The other company got confussed since they
had a file on their PC that worked at another
client's home, so they determined it was a bad
receiver!! The client lost faith after the replacement
receiver also did not work!
FYI, all of the versions of the 47XX and 49XX
DISH Network receivers that I am aware of use
BOTH IR and RF (which is great...use a system
remote in the theater and the standard one can
be used in a remote room!). The remote that ships
with it does have a "UHF" symbol, and outputs
BOTH RF and IR at the same time when in the dish
mode (except for volume up/down). When using it
as a universal remote and selecting one of the
other modes or using the volume up/down keys in
any mode, it ONLY outputs IR.
randy
P.S. Before anyone responds, the description of
the "Fake" RF remotes was a simple overview when
using IR. Yes, I know it is more complicated and
yes I know that these remotes also output serial
commands (the better way to control ANY device
that supports it!), so take it easy on me!
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| Post 10 made on Monday November 26, 2001 at 19:53 |
glendagary Founding Member |
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On 11/24/01 19:34.37, randy said...
Glendagary,
No, the Pronto will not control ANY satellite
box that is RF only. These are "true" RF remotes
that send an RF signal directly to the satellite
box; most don't even have an IR eye (receiver).
"Fake" RF remotes like the AMX, Crestron, Lexicon,
RTI, etc. will not work since they can't learn
the satellite RF commands. When you press a button
on one of these remotes, they simply send out
a proprietary channel address via RF that the
remote's receiver understands. It then maps a
corresponding learned IR command for that channel
and then outputs that IR command via an emitter/flasher
that hits the IR eye of the device you are controlling
with the proper IR code. Besides, most of these
use a different frequency than the satellite remotes
(400mHz and up, with many at 2.4GHz).
As far as the original question, I think northrk
hit the nail on the head. It has been my experience
that when people have trouble using DISH remotes
with preprogrammed remotes they have their unit
set to an alternate remote ID. Press the "system
info" button on your remote to find out what ID
you are set to. If it is other than 1, set it
to 1 and try again. If it does not work, then
your remote probably doesn't support DISH. Since
you said it was not a learning remote, your out
of luck!
I have been hired to "fix" various other companies
installs and some of the problems have been with
DISH and learning remotes due to the same address
info. The other company got confussed since they
had a file on their PC that worked at another
client's home, so they determined it was a bad
receiver!! The client lost faith after the replacement
receiver also did not work!
FYI, all of the versions of the 47XX and 49XX
DISH Network receivers that I am aware of use
BOTH IR and RF (which is great...use a system
remote in the theater and the standard one can
be used in a remote room!). The remote that ships
with it does have a "UHF" symbol, and outputs
BOTH RF and IR at the same time when in the dish
mode (except for volume up/down). When using it
as a universal remote and selecting one of the
other modes or using the volume up/down keys in
any mode, it ONLY outputs IR.
randy
P.S. Before anyone responds, the description of
the "Fake" RF remotes was a simple overview when
using IR. Yes, I know it is more complicated and
yes I know that these remotes also output serial
commands (the better way to control ANY device
that supports it!), so take it easy on me! Thanks Randy, I'm so excited about owning the new Pronto Pro, but now I've got this RF problem with remote control of satellite. I'm looking to go to HD sat receiver, but it has to work with PP. Any suggestions? Also, I downloaded color satellite station logos. Is there a net location that explains how to get codes onto buttons? Dish uses a three digit station (HBO is 301). How do I get HBO code into button?
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| Post 11 made on Thursday November 29, 2001 at 01:45 |
randy Founding Member |
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The Dish 6000 (their HDTV model) accepts both IR and RF just like the 47XX and 49XX models and it is compatible with the Pronto/Pronto Pro. It has an optical digital output for all channels, including Dolby Digital® ones, so it is considered their "top-of-the-line". You can purchase an optional DTV off air tuner card if you plan on using an antenna for local DTV programming.
As far as how to assign 3 digits to one button, I will leave that for a Pronto Pro programmer (I program AMX, Crestron, Lutron, etc, but not the Pronto!), but it should be a simple matter. If nobody responds, download one of the ccf files with the channel icons and see what they did!
randy
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| Post 12 made on Wednesday December 5, 2001 at 04:21 |
Hammy211 Founding Member |
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Why can my Pronto learn codes from the remote, but it still doesn't operate the reciever? The remote address is set on one, and I can't find anything to switch the reciever over to IR. Thanks
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| Post 13 made on Thursday December 6, 2001 at 05:08 |
franky Founding Member |
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Problem solved. Just going to get a PVR501.
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| Post 14 made on Sunday January 12, 2003 at 21:10 |
John42 Lurking Member |
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The Remote for the JVC D-VHS box is UHF only. The remote will also control three other IR items. On my remote, I added my TV and A/V reviecer to it. No need to add code for VCR (pre-program into the unit). This is also true of the Models 40000 and 50000 as well as all remote that say
UHF at the bottom of the remote.
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