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Post 3,286 made on Thursday June 1, 2017 at 15:43
George Morley
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Thanks for that keaster.I am in Milton,but in a bad spot,4th floor apartment bldg. at back facing escarpment,front to Toronto.Most of my reception is from bounces off buildings,if that makes sense.I seemed to have better ch.9 when I had a 1/2 inch copper pipe halfed at 24 inches on my rotor on the balcony.Would adding the 1/2 pipe to the vhf 3/8" make any difference?Is Bell still pulling the plug on ota in Aug.?
Post 3,287 made on Thursday June 1, 2017 at 17:52
OBICO
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These are the list of CTV 1&2 relay transmitters in Ontario that Bell is planning on shutting down, date to be determined.

Post 3,288 made on Thursday June 1, 2017 at 18:18
OBICO
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WNYO's  transmitter is located adjacent to Ironwood's Golf Coarse in Cowlesville, which has wind turbines.



I asked Trip Ericson whether these can have an effect on reception, this is his reply:

They can, yes.  In Waymart, PA, the wind turbines more or less destroyed local TV to the extent that they installed translators in the area to help local viewers overcome the problem.

I researched this from Wikipedia:

WQPX operates its digital fill-in translator on UHF channel 49. That translator is run by NextEra Energy Resources in Waymart, PA. Windmills run by NextEra Energy Resources in the area surrounding Waymart interfere with full power television signals from the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre market.

[Link: rabbitears.info]
Post 3,289 made on Tuesday June 13, 2017 at 10:09
WarrenL
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On June 1, 2017 at 18:18, OBICO said...
WNYO's  transmitter is located adjacent to Ironwood's Golf Coarse in Cowlesville, which has wind turbines.



I asked Trip Ericson whether these can have an effect on reception, this is his reply:

They can, yes.  In Waymart, PA, the wind turbines more or less destroyed local TV to the extent that they installed translators in the area to help local viewers overcome the problem.

I researched this from Wikipedia:

WQPX operates its digital fill-in translator on UHF channel 49. That translator is run by NextEra Energy Resources in Waymart, PA. Windmills run by NextEra Energy Resources in the area surrounding Waymart interfere with full power television signals from the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre market.

[Link: rabbitears.info]

I know that homes in that area have a hard time picking up WNLO because of the wind turbines. However a problem with WNYO is that it has a directional signal instead of a non directional pattern. Another's word, it full power is directed to Buffalo, while it's beam in other directions is at reduce power. At one point WNYO did apply to install a non directional beam for it's transmitter and the FCC granted it, but then the spectrum auction came and the CP (construction permit) was never acted on. Anyhow the directional beam of WNYO transmitter makes it hard signal to get outside of the Buffalo area.
Here is a link on Rabbit Ears, that shows the transmitter pattern of WNYO. if your browser supports it, you can point at the dots in the pattern, it will show the power level of the beam at that point.
[Link: rabbitears.info]

Last edited by WarrenL on June 13, 2017 10:27.
Post 3,290 made on Monday July 3, 2017 at 19:05
OBICO
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When stations change over to their new frequencies, their ERP will change too. In most situations in the Buffalo market, they will decrease. WPXJ-DT will increase 10 kW, but WNYB-DT on RF 5 will decrease to a mere 1.93 kW.
    
Post 3,291 made on Tuesday July 4, 2017 at 19:15
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     Dear fellow bloggers, with stations now being able to piggyback on other stations' frequencies, we need to be able to differentialate between a stations programming (i.e. WIVB) and its transmission facility (WNLO RF32), otherwise this can be confusing.  I propose adding a  after the call letters to designate a stations programming rather than its facility.

     If, in the event the new RF 16 in Harris Corners, N.Y. transmits both WUTV and WNYO programming in the new ATSC 3.0 format, and the new RF 36 in Grand Island transmits the both WUTV and WNYO programming in current ATSC 1.0, using the call letters (especially in search engines) can be confusing.

Programming
(1)  "Hey, WUTV-
P will broadcast the World Series this year!".

Hardware
(2)   (i)   "Hey, WUTV-DT's signal was interrupted for 45 minutes last night", or
       (ii)   "Hey, RF 36's signal was interrupted for 45 minutes last night", or
       (iii)  "Hey, FCC facility I.D. 415's
signal was interrupted last night".


    
Post 3,292 made on Wednesday July 5, 2017 at 17:50
OBICO
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I consulted a well-known engineer to us for his thoughts on the lower ERP values with the newly assigned frequencies:

Because lower frequencies propagate better than higher frequencies, the power is adjusted down as the frequency goes down.  Theoretically, 99.8 kW on channel 16 is equivalent to 198 kW on channel 49.

Most likely, Sinclair will later seek more power for WNYO regardless. 


 Though I understand the 'theory' mentioned above, but it is only a theory like evolution and global warming climate change. I'm still sceptical.
1.93 kW for WNYB?
Post 3,293 made on Thursday July 20, 2017 at 20:20 ...it's new!
OBICO
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You can now compare the maps of a station's current contour with its new post-transition contour.

WNYB will have a slightly less reach into Canada and Pennsylvania on RF .
WUTV will have a less reach into the Mississauga-Toronto area RF
.

WUTV-DT NEW                             WUTV-DT  CURRENT
Post 3,294 made on Friday July 21, 2017 at 08:35 ...it's new!
Wilson7777
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I thought WUTV was RF 14? If they change to 36 won't it conflict with YesTV in Hamilton?
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