026163, I emailed WNYO about that and still haven't gotten a response.

Too bad...I liked the 1080i on WNED.

I am just learning about HD over the air reception and I'm glad I found
this forum. I have a Panasonic 42" Plasma hooked up to an antenna on a
rotor. I live in Hamilton, ON so my reception of Toronto and Buffalo
are good. Here's my problem: I sometimes get channel 9-1 reported as
physical 44. I have also seen it as 64. This is strange as I found it
originally at 40 which agrees with your table. The conflict, obviously,
is that 64-1 and 44-1 (Omni-1HD & Omni-2HD) are now ia a conflict on my
tuner. Has anyone else seen this?

I would agree. Beyond this Buffalo feed OTA I also can get PBS Detroit on Star Choice. Though, I believe Detroit has also gone 720p, *C converts everything to 1080i. Comparing the two side by side, I much prefer the 1080i on PBS programming. The gardening and travel shows are much more vibrant and detailed.

Agree totally. 720p is good for action and sports, but landscape and travel scenes are much better in 1080i.

My guess is that the 720p broadcasting from WNED will only be temporary. They purchased a much more efficient HD Encoder, will be arrive and be installed in the first week of December.

My guess is that at that time, we will see WNED go back to 1080i and also see how the motion blurring/smearing/ghosting dissapear too.

Not when you are trying to measure signal strength or purchase antennas or traps and start looking for a what you think is a low band channel trap that is actually a UHF channel.

Stations change call letters all the time and no one bitches about that. Now, all of a sudden the NAB went crying to the FCC and is worried about loosing their viewers because of a channel number change. Too bad, get use to the correct actual number.

I salute WNED for keeping the actual channel number. No confusion.
Same goes for cable.

Separate subject for TW cable;

According to their web site, they now have listed "Free High Definition" as a category. Other than the four networks, they have ESPN HD, ESPN-2 HD, Discovery HD & TNT HD all listed as "free". After re-scanning on two different sets w/ QAM tunres (no CC) nothing showed.

Anyone here with 'standard' cable, no STB, using a set that has a QAM tuner find anything??

This would be welcome since TW dropped HD Net & HD Net Movies from their 'in the clear' offerings two months ago.

Did they really?

D***! I liked to watch the shuttle launches in HD.

Oh well.

The reference of traditional channels numbers had to do with Omni 1 and 2, which for a short time were remapping to 69 and 47, as opposed to their current channel numbers of 44 and 64. I would much rather see OMNI 1 aka CFMT on channel 4, which is their cable number across pretty much all GTA but I can live with 47 as they still brand 47 OTA on some of their station identification. But tunning to 64 for OMNI1 for me is weird. On top of which, OMNI2 has always bee on a higher station number, cable it is 14 and OTA Analog on 69. The fact that it is now lower on 44 also seems odd to me.

I just wish they would remap the station to either their cable or analog number, just would seem more natural to me.

Daniel, one thing I love on the Ottawa Map is that you put a list of every station that will eventually broadcast ATSC, and gave any information that could be provided. That would be an awsome thing for the Toronto map, to just have near the bottom...

Remapping their OTA broadcast to their *cable tv* assignment would be a bad idea, and probably against CRTC guidelines.

For instance, I know my HDTV receiver can only deal with one instance of a virtual channel number at a time: on a really good day I was getting 9-1 from Toronto and 9-1 from Syracuse, but it would only let me tune in whichever one it scanned first. So, with a 4-1 already existing from Buffalo, adding an "improper" 4-1 would be bad. :-)

All of the information on the Ottawa page was compiled by Roger Horner; I just worked on formatting and tweaking.

One reason I don't list "assigned" ATSC channel numbers on the Toronto page is that the assignment is merely a formality: every existing analog television station out there already has one, but until they actually submit an application to the CRTC to use it the number means nothing. And the period between submitting an application and actually going live on the air is measured in *years*, so no point getting hopes up too early! :-)

However, it does makes since to list it on the Ottawa page, since Toronto is a "leading" market and what happens there will eventually start trickling out to other larger cities. But rest assured that you'll have a couple years notice of any new HDTV channels planned for the Toronto area as it is...

TW & QAM

I did a rescan last night (Green Acres area of Tonawanda) and there was no difference. Just the 4 locals, TBS and the music channels. No sign of ESPN etc...

That is why I wish everyone would map to their orignal Analog # instead, unless they are -DT only and change their Station ID, so instead of WNED 17 called it WNED 43. At least with the traditional numbers, assuming everyone was mapping, they would be spaced properly. Right now, it seems like USA likes to map and Canada doesnt..

omni's are gone

WNED needs to increase their bitrate if they want to switch back 1080i.Most of the time they've had one of the most pixelated pictures and disgusting bitrates in the area.Even 720p gets barely enough now (~5mbit under) :( Don't think that new encoder will make a lot of difference with such horrid waste of sub bw.