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Post 3,121 made on Tuesday December 17, 2013 at 20:31
keaster2000
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Co-Channel interference should have went the way of the Dodo when stations began broadcasting digitally. Back in the day of analog transmission, Here in St. Catharines when I could get WJET-TV 24 Erie, there was co-channel interference from CBLFT 25 from Toronto.

CHCH on 15 shouldn't be the reason you're not getting WUTV 29 (14): CBLT 5 transmits from the CN tower on Channel 20 and CICA (TVO) transmits on channel 19...from the CN tower. There's no way this would have worked back in the days of analog TV

Ever noticed how the Toronto and Buffalo stations were doled out: 2-Buffalo, 3-Barrie, 4-Buffalo, 5 (formerly 6)-Toronto, 7-Buffalo and so on...

When CHCH went from 18 (pre-transition) to 11 The signal strength on my 13' Delhi929 went up to a solid 100% when the antenna was pointed at Hamilton. Pointed at Buffalo, I couldn't get CHCH, my 8 bay mounted 3 feet below that anenna actually dropped in signal strength.

Now that CHCH transmits on UHF 15, The big rotary antenna gets CHCH at 89-95% when pointed right at hamilton 90% when pointed at Buffalo and the smaller 8 bay gets a higher signal that it did when it was on 11.

The bottom line...Some fine tuning (or more height) may be necessary. I've had the most luck installing the Electronic Master 4 bay antenna with amp and pre-amp built right in the balun. I installed one in Pelham that picked up everything from Toronto off the back of the antenna and the transmitter for CKVP 42 is right across the street. No problems picking up any channels.

It's an off-shore cheap looking thing but boy, do they work great. Chen out your local computer store for one.

As for WBXZ: They transmit on Channel 17 and so does Global from Paris, so we probably won't get them unless they apply for a signal boost and a channel re-location. Why transmit on 17 but come up on 56? I don't know.

WUTV applied to move back to 29 post transition, but they were turned down by the FCC Currently, Daystar-owned WDTB-LP is using channel 29 (virtual 39) for a black screen that says "No Signal" in small blue letters. Waste of a channel if you ask me. They've applied to move and up power on Channel 28.

I'm not saying I have all the answers, but I hope this info helps.
Post 3,122 made on Wednesday December 18, 2013 at 14:20
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New channel 2-3 (WGRZ-AT). Currently a duplicate of 2-2 (WGRZ-WN). Wonder if this will be an Olympic coverage channel/a permanent channel that will carry something else. World News possibly? Googled it and didn't see anything yet. Anyone know anything about this?
Post 3,123 made on Wednesday December 18, 2013 at 17:53
Bruce H.Campbell
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Old channel {33-3 actual } deactivated when previous sport channel was dropped probably brought back for Olympics like you guessed.
Post 3,124 made on Wednesday December 18, 2013 at 22:47
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WGRZ 2.2 is Weather Nation. I don't know this for sure. But I suspect WGRZ agreement to carry Antenna TV might end by January 2014 and perhaps WGRZ might drop Antenna TV.
Post 3,125 made on Wednesday December 18, 2013 at 23:25
Bruce H.Campbell
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[Link: en.wikipedia.org]

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Post 3,126 made on Friday December 20, 2013 at 10:08
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Apparently I was wrong about the possibility of WGRZ dropping Antenna TV. WGRZ has gotten cable coverage for 2.2 and 2.3 guaranteeing Antenna TV will remain on 2.3. From what I have read online WeatheNation will not start on 2.2 until January, but 2.2 will become a weather channel.
On December 18, 2013 at 22:47, WarrenL said...
WGRZ 2.2 is Weather Nation. I don't know this for sure. But I suspect WGRZ agreement to carry Antenna TV might end by January 2014 and perhaps WGRZ might drop Antenna TV.
Post 3,127 made on Saturday December 21, 2013 at 02:28
Bruce H.Campbell
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On December 20, 2013 at 10:08, WarrenL said...
Antenna TV will remain on 2.3. From what I have read online |WeatherNation will not start on 2.2 until January, but 2.2 will become a |weather channel.

So again I'll have to edit the main file [just a text file anyhow] and move
33-3 back into the Favourites list, to reflect these changes.
Post 3,128 made on Sunday December 29, 2013 at 16:08
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2 omissions from the database...

1. CIII-DT-27 which is a Global repeater from Peterborough on RF 27.
2. Star Ray (pirate signal) on RF 22.
Post 3,129 made on Wednesday January 1, 2014 at 16:42
Bruce H.Campbell
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....As well as the WGRZ changes that came in this day, edited my channel lists, and programme lists , otherwise the DVR would be recording on 2-2 rather than 2-3 as it should.

WGRZ-WN 2.2(33.2) has a national broadcast squeezed to fit 4:3.
Edit: On Jan 2 they went to a letterboxed 16:9 format on the SD sub.
Now though the PSIP [at least to my setup] is frelled and displaying WN's data in both subs, also had to send a note to Zap2It to reinstate
2.3(33.3) back into the local OTA choices, to be displayed with other channels in the on-line grid.

Last edited by Bruce H.Campbell on January 4, 2014 12:22.
Post 3,130 made on Friday January 3, 2014 at 20:50
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Regarding WGRZ, I have noticed that for the past week that their signal strength is greatly improved. Here in North York I often have trouble receiving this station, however for several days, its been rock solid.

Does anyone know if they increased their transmit power or broadcast pattern to Toronto.

As I mentioned earlier, I am disappointed that I have lost CHCH 11 ever since they moved to RF 15. I used to receive it very well on RF 11.

Oh well, I gain WGRZ and lose CHCH.

Last edited by NFASTRO on January 3, 2014 22:30.
Post 3,131 made on Saturday January 4, 2014 at 12:30
Bruce H.Campbell
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YMMV

On January 3, 2014 at 20:50, NFASTRO said...
Does anyone know if they increased their transmit power or broadcast pattern to Toronto. (don't think so-B)

As I mentioned earlier, I am disappointed that I have lost CHCH 11 ever since they moved to RF 15. I used to receive it very well on RF 11.

Oh well, I gain WGRZ and lose CHCH.

Well, my antenna setup is cheapass but am glad to get CHCH finally and at its current RF and power out, North York should receive it.
Now CFTO is the reverse for me 85% of the time it is gone and only a weather anomaly lets it become viewable here in Welland.

again, YMMV.
Post 3,132 made on Sunday January 12, 2014 at 21:28
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According to their Facebook page WBXZ-LD (Channel 56) Buffalo will sign on February 3rd. Channels 56.1 through 56.5...maybe 56.6. Because they will be transmitting on Channel 17 their signal will be very directional away from the Niagara region--according to their coverage map. Check out their site: www.wbxztv.com

CIII (Global) transmits on channel 17 from Paris (Ayr)

Also, Channel 39 WDTB is Daystar from Buffalo. For months now it's just been a black screen with the words "No Signal" in the top left. They're transmitting on channel 29 but Wikipedia's saying they're going to transmit from channel 28...

Wiki also says they're both broadcasting at 15kw. We'll just have to wait and see
Post 3,133 made on Thursday January 16, 2014 at 00:18
Bruce H.Campbell
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Fort Erie might get WBXZ but at that power level I doubt Welland and westward will. I haven`t been able to receive ION/qubo in ages, maybe in spring,with those weather inversions.
Post 3,134 made on Saturday January 18, 2014 at 18:34
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It's been awhile (quite awhile) but here is my latest reception report taken today with the homemade Hoverman pointed at Toronto from the heart of Grand Island NY while watching Hockey Day in Canada:

5.1: 4 out of 4 bars (sorry, but that is the way the TV reports it :-) Also noteworthy is that reception is solid and not cutting out every 15 seconds like it did when they switched to 1280x720..
19.1: 3 out of 4 (3/4)
25.1: 3/4, picture breaks up constantly
36.1: 3/4 solid pic
40.1: 1/4 pic does not break up
41.1: 3/4 solid pic
42.1: 4/4 solid pic
43.10: 2/4 no pic but they're playing music. Sound breaks up every now and then

That is all.. .
Post 3,135 made on Monday January 20, 2014 at 22:59
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Seems you need to continue to tweak your antenna. I find I get more channels during the day versus the night for some reason. 
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