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Post 1 made on Sunday December 1, 2013 at 21:22
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I have a TSU 3000 that I have had for years and still works great. I recently upgraded my entertainment system with a new TV and AV receiver. The TV programs easily (Panasonic VT60) but it is the receiver that is giving me trouble. It is a Yamaha RX-V575 with a RAV498 remote. After I configure a panel and I try learn the code (I get the confirmation in the software), I can't get the receiver to respond to the code. I tried learning the codes from the remote's "tools" function and also from Prontoedit NG and neither works despite the fact that I get the confirmation in the software and on the remote. When I look at the stored IR code in the software, there is data in the box. It is a 900A code, which I guess the software changes it to.

I spent hours today researching this and I see that many have had issues with this. From my research, I have learned that the Pronto uses HEX codes and the Yamaha uses NEC codes. I also found the website that converts the NEC files to  Pronto HEX. I downloaded the NEC codes for the receiver, but I am confused as to which ones to use. There are columns for Code (ID1) and Code (ID2). I don't know which ones to use. Also, I have two forms. There is one for "standard" codes and "extended" codes. The NEC codes for Power are different on the forms?? 

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So, when I find a code (for example 7E 7E for power), I convert it with the tool and paste it into the correct field in Prontoedit. If I go back in and check the code, the software converts it to a 900A code (which is the same as the code the remote stores when I "learn" it).  The problem is that it never works! I've tried extending the duration but it just won't work.

I have honestly only tried to program the "power" button. I figure that is the most important and if I can't get that one to work, then I am not going  to waste the time to do the rest!!  I'm usually pretty good with this stuff, but this one has me baffled and very frustrated.
OP | Post 2 made on Tuesday December 3, 2013 at 19:05
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Hello? Crickets?
Post 3 made on Tuesday December 3, 2013 at 22:43
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Now that I see all you have done, search this forum for 0022 0004 and you will find a trick to keep the software from converting the 0022 0002 into the short code for 900A. This has worked in the past on the 3000 series but not sure if it will work in all cases on the 7000 series.

Here's a link.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

You can also download a CCF (Classic Pronto Files Section). Specifically, there is one I always used that is for the RX-V900 or RX-V1000 that contains both normal and extended codes it the 'Raw' form (0000) instead of the 'Short' form (900A). What you want are codes in the Raw form to which you can make the changes I note in the above link.

Last edited by Lyndel McGee on December 3, 2013 22:54.
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OP | Post 4 made on Wednesday December 4, 2013 at 15:48
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I will try this as soon as I get home and report back. Thanks!!
OP | Post 5 made on Wednesday December 4, 2013 at 19:11
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Another question I have is "Do I use the ID1 or ID2 codes?" Does it matter?
OP | Post 6 made on Wednesday December 4, 2013 at 20:55
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Ok, one question answered. I need to use the ID1 codes. That being said, I now have a new issue that I think IS my issue. When I enter the HEX into the IR window and press "test IR" it works every time. If I convert the code to 0022 0004 and press "test IR" it works everytime. If I let the code convert to 900A and test it, it works. If I download the data into the remote it won't work!!

I thought it might not be downloading properly, so I uploaded the data and the code in the IR window is identical to the code when I pressed the "Test IR" icon. If I test the code from the uploaded data it works???

What is the difference between actually pressing the remote and "testing" the code?
Post 7 made on Wednesday December 4, 2013 at 23:10
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Testing from the Simulator or using TestIR does not use the firware in the remote, the software sends a USB command down to the remote which is different in that the remote firmware is not expanding the code.

Are you saying that when the code is in Raw (0000) format and you download it, it does not work?

The key that has worked for many 3000 users is to not let the PC convert it to 900A. You keep the raw format by using the 0022 0004 and duplicating the repeat sequence.

Last edited by Lyndel McGee on December 4, 2013 23:18.
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OP | Post 8 made on Wednesday December 4, 2013 at 23:46
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Yes, the remote is storing the 0000 Pronto Hex code. Maybe I need to do a reset on the remote and rewrite the firmware.
OP | Post 9 made on Wednesday December 4, 2013 at 23:49
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Is it possible that my version of PENG is not compatible with my firmware version? What is the newest firmware version?
OP | Post 10 made on Thursday December 5, 2013 at 00:23
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On December 4, 2013 at 23:10, Lyndel McGee said...

The key that has worked for many 3000 users is to not let the PC convert it to 900A. You keep the raw format by using the 0022 0004 and duplicating the repeat sequence.

I did change the second byte to 0004, and copied the last 4 bytes so it repeats twice.
Post 11 made on Thursday December 5, 2013 at 19:48
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What version do you currently have? Go to the next generation file section and download the latest rev of the firmware (highest numbered version) and latest version of PENG. The 3x00 was known to have such problems and honestly, there is a Shinybow switch that I could never get to work with a 3x00.

Shinybow also uses the NEC protocol
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Post 12 made on Thursday December 5, 2013 at 19:50
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My official recommendation is here:

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OP | Post 13 made on Thursday December 5, 2013 at 22:04
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On December 5, 2013 at 19:50, Lyndel McGee said...
My official recommendation is here:

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Lol, I actually just got it to work!!!

I don't know what it was. I updated the firmware again (actually to the same level (3.9.12)), and loaded the default configuration. I entered the "power" hex into the remote, changed the code to 0004, downloaded it and POOF, it worked!! I then let PENG convert it to the 900A code and it also worked???

I'm not sure what it was. I may have an idea; I downloaded a configuration from a TSU 7000 and had PENG convert it to greyscale. I then tried programming my own codes to the buttons on the panel. Maybe because it was based on a different firmware, that was the issue?

Either way, I did put a small bid in for the color unit, lol. I actually learned alot from this, and I know that if something doesn't work properly, I can convert the code to keep it from changing to NEC. Exactly what does the changing the code do? Does the 0004 mean 4 bytes (8 bits each)? Does it repeat the last signal 2 times?

A special thanks to Lyndel. This site doesn't see as much traffic as it used to, but there is still great help here.
Post 14 made on Friday December 6, 2013 at 17:45
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The firware actually has logic to 'expand' the short code into a repeatable sequence.

That is discussed in great technical detail in a document by Eigeny Eulanov in the Classic Pronto Files section right alonsigle Barry's document describing the Pronto Hex IR format.

I know there were issues with the 3000 firmware and these codes and we also had some issues with the 7000. Philips introduced the 'Duration' feature to help overcome some of these issues. Latest firmware and latest PENG will help on issues in the future.
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