Just picked up a Vincent Audio SV-236 integrated amp which comes with its own remote. I was able to program all the commands from said remote into my NG-7000 except "volume up". Volume down fine, every other command/button, fine! I really need this to work as my gear is in a closet! Please help.

Post some of the hex codes that did work and the volume ones that didn't.

Here they are...

Volume Up (didn't work)
0000 006B 0000 0021 0065 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0CF0

Volume Down (worked)
0000 006B 0000 0022 0065 00B7 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0CF0

Mute (worked)
0000 006C 0000 0022 0064 00B5 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0CCD

Input S1 (worked)
0000 006B 0000 0022 0065 00B7 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016

Input S2 (worked)
0000 006B 0000 0022 0065 00B7 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0CF0

Input S3 (worked)
0000 006B 0000 0022 0065 00B7 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0CF0

Input S4 (worked)
0000 006B 0000 0022 0065 00B7 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0CF0

Ouch, Gap protocol, which means that the codeset doesn't conform to the Irp files in Makehex.
it's easy to see that your command that doesn't work clearly differs from the ones that do, but, generating a correct one....

Is there a reasonable explanation for this or is it pretty much FUBAR?

Man it sounds awesome but I've been running up and down the stairs all day adjusting the volume!

Try this,

Volume Up
0000 006B 0000 0022 0065 00B7 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0CF0

Can you also try these please?

Volume UP (A_NEC2)
900B 006D 0000 0001 08F0 1F1F

Volume UP (A_NEC1)
900A 006D 0000 0001 08F0 1F1F


Volume UP (B_NEC2)
900B 006D 0000 0001 08F0 1FE0

Volume UP (B_NEC1)
900A 006D 0000 0001 08F0 1FE0

Hah, the first one works like a charm! I've programmed a lot of components, projectors and things but never ran into one like this. Even the guy at Vincent says the commands are not known for universal remote, and it would be trial and error (with a little luck) to find the code. So enlighten me, what was the fix?

Hey thanks, it sure beats running up and down the stairs for adjustments.

Did you try the other ones also?

I would like to know if they are in fact NEC Protocol codes and not the learnt codes you posted (could be bad learns).

I'll give them today a try and post back.

Jason, how did you identify these codes as closely related to NEC format?
I can see that the first three codes above are 'similar' to NEC format, but are not recognised as such.
I also see that the last two codes above ARE NEC format with the correct checkbytes in place.

Jason, tried the other ones and only the second worked:

Volume UP (A_NEC1)
900A 006D 0000 0001 08F0 1F1F

Thanks.

They are NEC1 32bit Protocol. Below are what they should be.

Volume Up
900A 006D 0000 0001 08F0 1F1F

Volume Down
900A 006D 0000 0001 08F0 1A1A

Mute
900A 006D 0000 0001 08F0 4242

Input S1
900A 006D 0000 0001 08F0 0E0E

Input S2
900A 006D 0000 0001 08F0 0909

Input S3
900A 006D 0000 0001 08F0 0B0B

Input S4
900A 006D 0000 0001 08F0 0D0D

I could tell by just by the pattern of the hex string that they learnt like NEC2 only the Lead In was different (wrong).

Volume Down
0000 006B 0000 0022 0065 00B7 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0CF0

0065 00B7 is the Lead In and should be 0165 00B7 or 0157 00AC which is a clean Lead In from MakeHex.
0016 0CF0 is the Lead Out and change this to 0016 0689.

So then you get,
0000 006B 0000 0022 0157 00AC 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0689

Then what I do if IR Tools won't decode it is, instead of converting all the burst pairs to binary to work out the Device, Sub and Function Numbers I just past the hex code into PENG and it will convert it to a short hex code like this, 900B 006D 0000 0001 08F0 1A1A which is a NEC2 code.

900B is the indicator for NEC2 and then I look at the Function Number (1A) and the Complement Number (1A) which 1A + 1A does not add up to FF (255 in decimal) so that tells me it is a 32 bit code. Yamaha seem to be using these codes more and more on their new receivers. Apple also use these for the Apple TV remote.

Another indicator is when you paste the original hex code into IR Tools it says, Gap-567-1664-32?

567 means the average pulse size is 567 microseconds. The 1664 means that (when DecodeIr made its guess at the structure) every burst shorter than 1664 microseconds is a zero and every burst longer is a one. The 32 means there are 32 bits. This is all very similar to NEC.

Then I gave the Chosen1 some NEC1 and NEC2 codes to try because nine times out of ten they are NEC1 as the Chosen1 has proven.


Cheers
Jason

NEC1 could be correct; however, NECx1 or NECx2 are also possible. These are used in some Samsung equipment. DecodeIR.dll 2.42beta has support for these 32 bit NEC signals, although if used with IRTool, it doesn't show the second byte of the function number.   It decodes this as NECx2, device 8.240, function 26.

The difference is that the NEC1/NEC2 lead in is 0157 00AC , while NECx1/NECx2 has lead in 00AC 00AC.   So the learned signal is closer to NECx1 or NECx2, which is why DecodeIR.dll chooses NECx2.  The difference may be important for repeated signals.

Chosen1, if you are so inclined, please also try:

Vol Up--NECx1 Device Code: 8.240 (0x08.0xF0) Function: 31 (0x1F)
0000 006D 0022 0003 00AC 00AB 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0689 00AC 00AB 0015 0041 0015 0E3F

Vol Up--NECx2 Device Code: 8.240 (0x08.0xF0) Function: 31 (0x1F)
0000 006D 0000 0022 00AC 00AB 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0689

By the way, IRversion 8.03 gives a very full decode using DecodeIR v 2.42b if the hex is imported into the Learned Signals tab:
Protocol   Device Sub-device  OBC  .... Misc
NECx2-f16     8      240       26      8.F0.1A.1A

It shows the IRP form:
{38.6k,555,msb},1,-1|1,-3>(2609u,-4729u,A:32,1,-85.5m)+{A=$100F5858}; Alt Leadout form: ^141m
 


 

Thanks 3FG.

I always forget about NECx1 & 2. I suppose it's just because they're not as common.